Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Gyno from using Trenbolone with Test? within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; If this kind of thing shows up(gyno), what in your opinion would be best to stop it? Nolvadex is no ...
If this kind of thing shows up(gyno), what in your opinion would be best to stop it? Nolvadex is no good, letrozole will kill your gains, so what do you use?
You're sailing on a sea of rumour & worry, RH. Who said you must never use Nolva with Tren? Small amounts won't do you any harm, but neither will they do any good to protect you from sore nips & lactation with Tren (though Nolva will protect & help alleviate progesterone gyno from Test). The word you're looking for is Dostinex (aka cabergoline), which will protect you from the excess prolactin you may get from Tren. For me the best protection from progesterone is small amounts of Arimidex EOD, which should not cut into your gains very much and should also help you avoid excess water weight.
Having said that, you ought not use either Nolva, Adex, or Dostinex unless you detect a need for them.
I've only ran 2 cycles in the past, both Test E or C, For PCT in the the past I ran clomid and nolvadex starting at higher doses and gradually decreasing for a four week period. With tren in the equation I'm not sure what I am going to be looking at for PCT. I've still got quite a bit of research to do but if you or anyone else has some experience with this I'd be happy to learn from it.
You're sailing on a sea of rumour & worry, RH. Who said you must never use Nolva with Tren? Small amounts won't do you any harm, but neither will they do any good to protect you from sore nips & lactation with Tren (though Nolva will protect & help alleviate progesterone gyno from Test). The word you're looking for is Dostinex (aka cabergoline), which will protect you from the excess prolactin you may get from Tren. For me the best protection from progesterone is small amounts of Arimidex EOD, which should not cut into your gains very much and should also help you avoid excess water weight.
Having said that, you ought not use either Nolva, Adex, or Dostinex unless you detect a need for them.
I've only ran 2 cycles in the past, both Test E or C, For PCT in the the past I ran clomid and nolvadex starting at higher doses and gradually decreasing for a four week period. With tren in the equation I'm not sure what I am going to be looking at for PCT. I've still got quite a bit of research to do but if you or anyone else has some experience with this I'd be happy to learn from it.
Same pct, just keep Adex on hand for Progesterone sides, and Dostinex for Prolactin sides. Dostinex is pricey, but if you're worried you should have it on hand. Nolva for PCT.. Have you considered HCG? Clomid is up to you..
IMHO, if you aren't prone, and you aren't dosing ridiculously high with Tren and low on the Test you shouldn't have to worry. This is based on speculation, research, and not actual practice. Someone with more experience may be able to clear this up?
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Same pct, just keep Adex on hand for Progesterone sides, and Dostinex for Prolactin sides. Dostinex is pricey, but if you're worried you should have it on hand. Nolva for PCT.. Have you considered HCG? Clomid is up to you..
IMHO, if you aren't prone, and you aren't dosing ridiculously high with Tren and low on the Test you shouldn't have to worry. This is based on speculation, research, and not actual practice. Someone with more experience may be able to clear this up?
I have read Tren shuts the boys down pretty hard, but if it's possible to get away with not running HCG then I would prefer not to, I don't have the money and it may take several months for me to get it. Both times I've ran test I had to run 20mg of nolva the whole cycle, I have a tendency to get lumps in my nipples from the excess estrogen. That's what worries me, If I start getting gyno symptons I won't know if it's being caused by estrogen, prolactin, or progestrone. Does ades and dostinex do anything to stop gyno caused by estrogen? Because from what I've read you don't want to be using nolva if you're getting gyno from prolactin or progestrone. Stuff gets complicated to the point I feel like I should scrap either the test or the tren and run one alone. I'm tempted to just run the tren, I've never tried it but have seen guys have great results with the stuff.
I have read Tren shuts the boys down pretty hard, but if it's possible to get away with not running HCG then I would prefer not to, I don't have the money and it may take several months for me to get it. Both times I've ran test I had to run 20mg of nolva the whole cycle, I have a tendency to get lumps in my nipples from the excess estrogen. That's what worries me, If I start getting gyno symptons I won't know if it's being caused by estrogen, prolactin, or progestrone. Does ades and dostinex do anything to stop gyno caused by estrogen? Because from what I've read you don't want to be using nolva if you're getting gyno from prolactin or progestrone. Stuff gets complicated to the point I feel like I should scrap either the test or the tren and run one alone. I'm tempted to just run the tren, I've never tried it but have seen guys have great results with the stuff.
I've had prolactin issues before. I can take Test / Tren without issues and Test / Deca without issues but If I take Test / Tren / Deca, I have issues. More than likely you won't have issues with Test / Tren but you should always be ready.
I don't run Test / Deca / Tren any more (I prefer EQ) but I was using Caber to stop the sides. At first I had to get a bottle of Letro (faster T/A). In order for progesterone to survive it needs estrogen so Letro was the obvious choice. Now all I keep on the shelf is Nolva and Letro. I am prone to gyno. I only use the Letro if I feel it necessary.
I've had prolactin issues before. I can take Test / Tren without issues and Test / Deca without issues but If I take Test / Tren / Deca, I have issues. More than likely you won't have issues with Test / Tren but you should always be ready.
I don't run Test / Deca / Tren any more (I prefer EQ) but I was using Caber to stop the sides. At first I had to get a bottle of Letro (faster T/A). In order for progesterone to survive it needs estrogen so Letro was the obvious choice. Now all I keep on the shelf is Nolva and Letro. I am prone to gyno. I only use the Letro if I feel it necessary.
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When you've had to use letro did it hurt your gains much?
When you've had to use letro did it hurt your gains much?
Never stayed on it that long. I switched to something else as soon as I felt comfortable. It can be used at a very low dose too. I stay away from cycles that produce progesterone now.
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