Hair loss after Winstrol - mythology or truth???

[MesomorphosisGuy]

Hello, I would like to know, if someone of you experienced hair loss after a cycle with stanoziolol - but only stanozolol. I am rather a steroid novice, I have experimented only with nandrolone so far, and now I just want to run a cycle with 20-30 mg trinabolan (Turinabol)+20-30 mg stanozolol a day. Since I am prone to hair loss (I have been using minoxidil for 11 years already and thanks to it, I have kept all my hair since that time), I wouldn't want to risk using any steroid potent in the scalp.

However, opinions with regard to stanozolol are contradictory; some people say "My friends used Winny and it was horrid on their hair", others say "I have never heard about anybody losing hair after Winstrol". I wonder, what's true. Some people argue that stanozolol is actually unguilty and the observed hair loss is due to other steroids used in the cycle. And that all the fuss around hair loss and stanozolol actually results from the fact that it is a DHT-derivative - which, however, may mean nothing, because the molecule of stanozolol is pretty different from that of DHT.

I also wonder, if I am to be afraid from such relatively low doses of stanozolol at all (20-30 mg).

[jasthace]

I've used many different steroids
But never has my scalp been so itchy as when I used Stanazolol.

[bobvongule]

Not for nothing but it has been said on here before " if you are afraid of losing your hair , do not use anabolic steroids". You have 11 years invested in minoxidil, why would you want to risk losing your hair now? What do you plan on acheiving by running 30mg turinabol and 30mg winny a day? I understand you are fairly new to AAS's but seriously why are you trying to convince yourself you won't lose hair? Are you less than 10% BF? Is your diet clean? What is your training like? How much cardio do you do a week? These are the things I would have in check before I go running half of a pre contest cycle in hopes of losing 20lbs of fat while adding 10 lbs. of muscle.

[MesomorphosisGuy]

You know, my situation is a bit more complicated. From certain reasons, I suffer from chronic muscular fatigue and my training has been going for nothing for many years. Believe it or not, I can do only 1-2 sets a week for a muscle, and even then I can be overtrained from it, if I don't stop it 2-3 repetitions before failure. Although I have markedly improved my performance in certain exercises training back and legs (that can't be overtrained so easily), my bench press is only marginally better than during my high school years. I have been virtually going up and down in circles without any stable progress. For some time, creatine helped me a lot, but now it doesn't work well anymore. After so many years I am simply frustrated. Still, I have a solid natural base from my high school years (if I undress myself, people ask me, if I am a body-builder ), but due to my limited physical activity, I have about 20% body fat, which certainly isn't positive.

Hence I plan to use trinabolan and stanozolol to improve my strength performance and prospectively lower body fat percentage. I would rather choose oxandrolone instead of stanozolol, but it would be too financially burdening at this moment. Due to my physical problems, I think that even small doses of steroids could have a good effect on me. I am starting today with 10 mg stanozolol and 10 mg trinabolan I will buy 5% minoxidl and hope that I will keep all my hair during the cycle.

However, I would like to know something more concrete about the influence of steroids on hair. The internet is full of anecdotes that you may or may not believe. I think it would be important to start collecting experience of a large number of steroid users, because otherwise you don't know what you can expect from a certain stuff. If, say, 50-100 people shared their experience, it would be a meaningful sample, from which some reasonable conclusions could be drawn. It is true that it would be largely worthless in individual cases, but at least, you could know, what a percentage of users reports problems and at what a dose, so you could know the probability of possible troubles and prepare for it.

But how can you deduce something, when one guy says "Winstrol is horrid on hair" and another guy says "Winstrol is harmless on hair"?

[MesomorphosisGuy]

Further, I am somewhat suspicious as for the origin of hair loss during steroid cycles. Especially when I hear somebody saying that he started to lose his hair after mere 3 weeks of a steroid cycle. I can imagine that androgenic alopecia may be a problem during a long, uninterrupted use, but you can't simply lose your hair from androgenic alopecia after mere 3 weeks of use. Androgenic alopecia causes shortening of the growth pase and it lasts 2-3 months, until the affected hair falls out and you can observe hair loss. I know it from my own experience, when I once stopped using minoxidil.

[MesomorphosisGuy]

After extensive googling, I think I start to understand the origin of hair loss during a cycle on Winstrol. Almost all the stories about "horrid experience" with Winstrol note sudden hair loss several days after the start of the cycle, and marked falling out on the whole head. This is not androgenic alopecia (male pattern baldness)!

If you use any stuff against androgenic alopecia and you stop using it, you can observe first signs of losing your hair as late as 2-3 months later, because every normal hair has its "rest phase" before it falls out. A sudden hair loss can't be a sign of MPB! It is simply telogen effluvium (hair loss caused by the stress that the steroid causes in the body). This is, by the way, confirmed by the fact that the lost hair after Winstrol is often back within several months. I would thus suggest that you shouldn't use high doses at the start of the cycle, and gradually begin from 10 mg.

[jasthace]

Or ,,,,,,,,you could use Anavar.

[lou123]

Originally Posted by MesomorphosisGuy

Further, I am somewhat suspicious as for the origin of hair loss during steroid cycles. Especially when I hear somebody saying that he started to lose his hair after mere 3 weeks of a steroid cycle. I can imagine that androgenic alopecia may be a problem during a long, uninterrupted use, but you can't simply lose your hair from androgenic alopecia after mere 3 weeks of use. Androgenic alopecia causes shortening of the growth pase and it lasts 2-3 months, until the affected hair falls out and you can observe hair loss. I know it from my own experience, when I once stopped using minoxidil.

Want to bet ??????????????? If I took 500mg a week of 2 I would be losing hair by week #2 !!

I know this for a fact and it's the reason i don't cycle anymore.

Oh and that loss is while taking 1.25 mg of Propecia a day.


If you are prone to MPB steroids will eat your hair !

[MesomorphosisGuy]

Originally Posted by lou123

Want to bet ??????????????? If I took 500mg a week of 2 I would be losing hair by week #2 !!

I know this for a fact and it's the reason i don't cycle anymore.

Oh and that loss is while taking 1.25 mg of Propecia a day.


If you are prone to MPB steroids will eat your hair !

A key question: Did you lose your hair suddenly and quickly on the whole scalp? Or did it start from the forehead, as it usually is during androgenic alopecia?

During a cycle with testosterone, at least 2-2,5 mg Propecia is recommended, by the way. I wouldn't use it anyway, because it can be useful only against DHT from testosterone. It can't be effective against other steroids. Here, 5% minoxidil would be a much better choice.

[Fraggle]

Alter your exercise regime as follows:

1) 3 x week lifting, full body lifts, dead, bench, squat, clean & jerk, etc... but keep it relatively low impact.

2) Add significant amount of cardio proximal in time to the lifting, i.e. lift and then run -- the body will preferentially choose cardiovascular enhancement over muscle enhancement when they are done in separate sessions. Most people see the most decrease in fat weight with the equivalent of an hour or more of cardio PER DAY. That's likely to be too much, but build up to it, my ideal cardio session is a five mile run at 8 min / mile

3) Don't go to failure

4) Keep at least 1 day between exercise sessions

5) Get plenty of sleep


Alter you diet as follows:

1) Increase supplemental protein intake to ~150g / day

2) Add Omega 3 * 6 * 9 to promote recovery

3) Add (−)-β-caryophyllene to promote recovery. This is my secret weapon, your going to have to purchase this from a chem supply company. It has phenomenal anti-inflammatory activity and will aid in recovery post workout.

4) If you can, attempt a keto or variant diet like velocity. This will melt the fat off you


Then if you want to add supplementation, start with something like Biotest HotRoxx or a standard ECA stack. If you want to push it further, go for cytomel and/or clenbuterol. And finally, choose anavar instead of turinabol or stanozolol if you do decide to use a steroid.

Keep in mind that at best you are trying to maintain weight whilst shifting fat mass to lean mass, which will make you appear much leaner. At 20% BF, you're going to have to push yourself very hard. Steroids are not an optimal solution to accomplish this. Significant cardio and appropriate diet are more important. I know it get's frustrating reading that as an answer, but ultimately, it holds true. You may want to consider getting a blood level test for testosterone, though. Low testosterone is often synonymous with high body fat. If you are low, then bio-replacement levels of testosterone would help you to lower body fat whilst exercising. And finasteride would resolve the DHT related hair loss potential. I would consider using topical only anti-DHT medication in that instance to allow for the androgenic mediated activity throughout the body.

Good luck, if you have any more questions, feel free to PM me.

Fraggle

[lou123]

Originally Posted by MesomorphosisGuy

A key question: Did you lose your hair suddenly and quickly on the whole scalp? Or did it start from the forehead, as it usually is during androgenic alopecia?

During a cycle with testosterone, at least 2-2,5 mg Propecia is recommended, by the way. I wouldn't use it anyway, because it can be useful only against DHT from testosterone. It can't be effective against other steroids. Here, 5% minoxidil would be a much better choice.

Actually I lost the most amount of hair during PCT but all through the cycle I was losing a little mostly in the hairline and crown.

I have used 5mg of Proscar ( Propecia ) a day on 500 mg a week of T and lost hair. I'm prone to MPB and it sucks.

[Plated]

One thing I never had to worry about and couldn't answer since I've been bald since I was about 21 :P

[lou123]

Another thing I should add is even if you don't lose much hair on cycle you still (if you are prone to MPB) have weakened the hair and shortened it's life which means you could be thinning much earlier than had you never used drugs.

I hear T bol is easy on the hair but never used it