Hair Loss and Cutting Cycles

[IAmTheWalrus]

So this is a bit premature since I won't be starting a cutting cycle until about May, but I wanted to get some input.

I've done AAS before, with no ancillaries (young and stupid). But as a result, I know what I'm prone to. Acne, gyno, and "roid rage" were non existant. What was a problem was overall water weight (to be expected)... and I noticed my hair got thin.

First of all, I'm already prone to MPB. I'm mildly thinning on the hairline right now. The men on my mother's side aren't completely bald, but they've got some big time widows peak going on. Of all the sides of AAS, hair loss has to be my biggest concern... because of, well, vanity.

So when I read about how great cutting drugs like Masteron were, I was obviously dissapointed. I read people say their hair fell out in clumps on Masteron. I have also read that Masteron's hair loss sides CANNOT be countered with Finasteride. Is this true? Basically, I need to know what Finasteride does and doesn't work with. I can't find Nizoral shampoo anywhere BTW either.

It seems most good cutting drugs are DHT derived, and thus a no-no for me. What would you all suggest I use? I've been reading up on Primabolan and Tren Enth.

Tren Enth intrigues me! I REALLY want to try it. I can deal with the night sweats.... as long as it doesn't touch my hair! Other than that, I may have to try an oral cycle of Winstrol and Clenbuterol.

I would love to hear some thoughts and suggestions on how to get on a nice cutting cycle with minimal hairloss.

Thanks

[MrBman]

if you're prone to MPB ... Tren enanthate is gonna make your hair fall out, i will tell you right now ... you'd be better off shaving it .... winstrol will do no better, its a DHT derivative ...

[IAmTheWalrus]

Clenbuterol or Cytomel seems to be the way to go for me. But Cytomel scares the shit out of me.

[MrBman]

what are you stats man? ill be quite frank with you bro ... and i know this saying is over stated - and you're not gonna beleive me ... cuz everyone agrees with it, but really doesnt beleive in it - BUT supplements really arent necessary to cut ... and you or anyone else here is probably gonna say "yea man" ... but you're gonna wanna take them anyways ... ill be honest, i dont give a fuck what anyone sais - clenbuterol is not good for you ... it strains ur body ... strains ur heart ...

how much do you weigh? how tall are you? whats your bf? if you dont knw youre BF ... give me you're height, your circumference of your waist (measured around ur abdomen), and the circumference of your neck ... we can make a rough estimate from there ...

how much weight are you looking to lose? is it for something specific or personal reasons?
how long have you been training for?

id ask for you diet, but lets wait on that one ...

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lets determine what we can do to get you to where u wanna be man ... dude im telling you, sincerely dieting is an art - once you can understand your body, you can tweak it to do just about anything ... its a very poweful machine, supplements are overrated - i swear they are ...

[IAmTheWalrus]

I know.

The cutting drugs scare the fuck out of me. However, I took ephedrine in high school, a lot, and other than sweating like a pig it didn't do much to me.

I'm 5'10, 186 lbs and my BF is 14%. But I'm fixing to be a shit ton bigger in a few weeks. I'm starting Test E and EQ this week.

Test E, EQ - 500mg/week each
Dbol - 25mg/day for 4 weeks
Var - 40mg/day for the last 4 weeks
Arimidex - .25 - .50/day for bloat

Here's my deal. I think I eat well enough. I know it could be better. But I diet, and I work out like crazy. I'm a gym rat. But I'm a classic Mesomorph and I'm starting to think I won't be able to get rid of my gut b/c of my genetics. I mean, I've been working out SERIOUSLY for over 2 years now and my stomach is nowhere near where I want it to be. Being on this board has helped a lot. And I continuously make changes to my diet for the better.

By the time I got the idea to actually do a cycle, it was mid Dec..... too late for a true bulker. So I decided to try a lean bulker.... I'd be VERY happy with 10-15lbs of lean muscle when all is said and done.

But... I don't think I can realistically expect to achieve that hard look and get my BF down enough to get rid of the gut with this cycle. So what I want to do is finish this cyle.... and then get on something to help me cut over the summer. I mean really get my BF down, preferably below 10% should look GREAT on me!

Tren seems too hardcore. Primo is too expensive. Clen was a possibility. What do you think?

[IAmTheWalrus]

lets determine what we can do to get you to where u wanna be man ... dude im telling you, sincerely dieting is an art - once you can understand your body, you can tweak it to do just about anything ... its a very poweful machine, supplements are overrated - i swear they are ...


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I honestly think I have a good handle on my body... what I can achieve and how it responds. And I honestly think I can't get rid of my fucking belly fat. That's where I carry it all. I have great looking arms, vascular forearms, a barrell chest that grows just by flexing it, nice traps to a wide lat spread. But my stomach is one big pudgy disaster.

[IAmTheWalrus]

bumpage

[bigbench]

Bro, what is your EXACT diet? Tell us every bite that goes into your mouth. If you dont know all the nutrient context or amount of cals, that is your first problem. Also, you are not far away from being where you want to be. If you lost about 8 lbs of pure fat, your abs would be more visable. If you lost about 14, then you would actually look pretty ripped. Dont you think that you can lose 14lbs of fat? Very easily! Just lay out your diet plan and let us fix it.

[IAmTheWalrus]

That's pretty generous of you.

My diet is going to change however since I just started my cycle today. The EQ should up my appetite. But I'll take any advice you all give me regarding a diet on this cycle. I took my first injection today. I'm going to start a new thread used as a log complete with measurements, weight, and BF %.

Here is my exact diet, with little exception:

The protein I am using is MuscleMilk Cytogainer:
4 scoops = 150g - 580 cal, 79g carb, 54g protein, 3g creatine, 2g glutamine

Breakfast - 2 whole eggs + 1/2 cup liq. egg whites, 100 cal pack of instant oatmeal w/ honey OR a whole wheat english muffin (double fiber brand) w/ honey. 2 strips of low sodium bacon.
If I don't have that I'll have a bowl of Total cereal w/ milk, honey + protein shake (2 scoops).

Snack 1 - protein shake (2 scoops)

Lunch - Lunch is dinner leftovers + carbs. A bag of Uncle Ben's Whole Grain brown rice. Pretty much always.

Snack 2 - protein shake (2 scoops)
One hour later I have an NO Explode shake. The link provides the nutrition info.
Once that kicks in I go and lift. Can't work out without it!

Post workout - protein shake (4 scoops)

Dinner - I make chicken parmigiana (I'm a guinea). Low amount of low fat mozzarella cheese. Try to use sauce with least amount of sugar/sodium. I also make chili. 97/3 ground beef. Bush's baked beans. Low sodium chili mix. Tomato paste. Sometimes w/ bacon. Sometimes not. Another meal is chicken balsamic w/ broccoli. Chicken Marsala w/ mushrooms. Lean ground beef hamburgers on a whole wheat bun w/ Stubbs BBQ sauce (30 cals, 220mg [9%] of sodium per 2 Tbsp). Very little carbs with dinner.
I also have these frozen chicken burgers. All-natural, not breaded. 160 cals, 7g fat, 240mg sodium, 22g protein. I eat these a lot. Top 'em with some chili.

If I'm snacking, it's always low fat vanilla yogurt w/ raisins (or blueberries) and walnuts.

I use milk with all my protein shakes. One percent Organic milk.

That's pretty much it. I'm on TriFlex for my joints. And I take a GNC Megamen multi.

[dennis]

Anyone can lose the gut with diet and cardio/exercise..Let bench develope you a diet..use a 10 week cycle of prop while on it..cut dairy,breads/fluor products,sugar,and lower you carbs to under 80 grams per day derived from geen veggies.