Half-Lifes

[TheBeat]

I've been thinking about half-lifes of AAS and have been wondering if any one knows or has a good idea on how long it takes blood levels to peak on various aas (cypionate,propionate,etc.)I'm talking about levels with a single injection for sake of simplicity.

I see that by knowing how long a substance takes to reach peak blood levels is important for many reasons, i.e. workouts, stabilizing blood levels,etc.

I cannot find any information on this, many people say the longer ester take a couple of days to weeks. So my thinking is that IF substance X takes 4 days for peak levels and has a half-life of 8 days, then wouldn't it's quarter life be more like 12 days rather than 16 since it took 4 days to reach peak? For example if X is injected on day 1 at 600mg the blood levels based on 4 days to peak and an 8 day half-life would be as follows?

1 - 0
2 - 200
3 - 400
4 - 600
5 - 525
6 - 450
7 - 375
8 - 300

Am I thinking right about this? Because wouldn't the next 8 days bring it lower than 150mg since it dropped 50% in 4 days for example?

Another Question I have is about suppression. Bill Roberts talks about how 200mg is 100% suppresive - 100mg 50%. So my question is: Is that 200mg a week or 28.5mg a day? Same total I know, but when I'm thinking about clearance times and looking at blood levels of each given day post cycle I see how this matters.

Another thing that i see is that I've been wanting to use Test Prop because blood levels are more stable with a daily injection, and ALL of the profiles on it say it has a lower rate of side effects, but wouldn't this be because the total daily amout of substrate is a lot lower even if the same amount of cypionate was used because of the build-up of the aas from the longer ester (like 4 times higher.) Or is something special about Prop as far as sides go?

I have alot of questions and honestly I think that all first-timers should. I'm someone who wants to know every possible aspect on something I'm about to undertake.

[MANWHORE]

Your thinking way too much .. you can figure out everything to the T on paper but i bet you my right leg,it will not work the same way when you cycle it .. From experience,longer acting esters are far better than shorter .. they are much easier to control and give better results .. the way i see it anyway

[chris gordon]

i prefer short esters...more shots but less fluctuation gives me less sides, like zits , usually less aromatization with short esters as well....however no mater the ester , blood levels peak within 24 hours of injection

[TheBeat]

Thanks guys. What about test (or aas) levels as far as suppression? What level should I look at per day or week as far as pct goes? A guy named Cy Willson suggests coming off a cycle using topical testosterone (androgel) tapering down to avoid any crash in one's test levels. The theory being that by tapering androgel one would be able to support test levels while slowing starting a return to homeostatis.

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by chris gordon

i prefer short esters...more shots but less fluctuation gives me less sides, like zits , usually less aromatization with short esters as well....however no mater the ester , blood levels peak within 24 hours of injection

Blood levels could never peak at the same time after an Enan as they would with Ace ester .. Halflives determine peak in blood .. Maybe day 4-5 peak with Enan and 2-3 .. 3-4 with Ace .. I don't know but from my personal experience,halflives are much longer than we are being told .. At least in my body they are .... Less sides just means less time the drug is in the blood meaning less results.. . unless your just trying to up andro levels for comp,then short acting is useful

[chris gordon]

half life is the amount of time the body requires to metabolize half of an amount...this has nothing to do with blood levels peaking....a short ester will have a higher peak and drop off faster, longer esters have lower peak and are steadier due to the longer half life...ill have to find some studies

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by chris gordon

half life is the amount of time the body requires to metabolize half of an amount...this has nothing to do with blood levels peaking....

Shorter halflives peak faster than longer because they're out of the system faster ... NO?

[hackskii]

You both are right.

One reason is the faster the ester the less weight, the less weight the more gear in the mg.
for instance suspension has almost 100% gear while cypionate is like 87% (from memory).
The weight of the ester has a determining effect on the mg of the gear.

[Big_paul]

I have to agree with manwhore. test e will stay in the injection site and not be taken up into the blood stream as fast as test prop. The ester slows down the amout test that is released from the site. I think test e has a 5 or 6 half life and prop is 2-3 days.

[jboldman]

i thought we were talking about time to peak plasma levels?

jb