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what is the best way to administer hcg? IM or Sub Q ? also do i need a differently calibrated needle ? I.U.? never did hcg and need help. I only have 22 gauge 3 ml pins. i can get others . i just need the run down on proper procedure and do ml convert to IU?
what is the best way to administer hcg? IM or Sub Q ? also do i need a differently calibrated needle ? I.U.? never did hcg and need help. I only have 22 gauge 3 ml pins. i can get others . i just need the run down on proper procedure and do ml convert to IU?
Sub-q is best for HCG in my opinion. And as solo said, 27 to 30 gauge slin pins, 5/8 inch long. HCG is for recovery from long cycles, like 15 weeks or more. I am not saying that it will hurt you to use it for short cycles, just not necassary. I have only had to use hcg on 2 cycles. One cycle I did for almost 17 weeks of test, deca, tren on the first 8 weeks, and capped it off with winny.. My boys were the size of raisons at about week 15.. After 3 weeks of HCG therapy, they were back to normal, about the size of volkswagons.
Sub-q is best for HCG in my opinion. And as solo said, 27 to 30 gauge slin pins, 5/8 inch long. HCG is for recovery from long cycles, like 15 weeks or more. I am not saying that it will hurt you to use it for short cycles, just not necassary. I have only had to use hcg on 2 cycles. One cycle I did for almost 17 weeks of test, deca, tren on the first 8 weeks, and capped it off with winny.. My boys were the size of raisons at about week 15.. After 3 weeks of HCG therapy, they were back to normal, about the size of volkswagons.
You're going to have to excuse me. Around here the general thoughts are, HCG makes your balls full, keeps your HPTA responsive, makes you a little sensitive around the pecker stand, and its one of the key factors in a rapid and successful PCT which equals retaining the most gains possible..
So for a 12 week test prop/ tren ace cycle you wouldn't run HCG? Just Nolva 10mg ed, and then do a 40mg-10mg taper of Nolva post injections?? I'm still trying to figure out what you do..how you do it..and why you do it...
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I'm going to do a 12 week sust 250/Equipoise cycle. followed by liquid nolva and liquid clomid for pct. 5 months ago i got of a 10 week cycle of test c only. pct was nolvadex by balklan pharm . some sexual dysfunction for a bit. no libido and no stiffy. that passed but now bacne and chestne. so before i do another cycle i want to get my pct in order.
I'm going to do a 12 week sust 250/Equipoise cycle. followed by liquid nolva and liquid clomid for pct. 5 months ago i got of a 10 week cycle of test c only. pct was nolvadex by balklan pharm . some sexual dysfunction for a bit. no libido and no stiffy. that passed but now bacne and chestne. so before i do another cycle i want to get my pct in order.
How much Sus a week? I assume two 250's right (500mg total)? How much EQ (400-600)?
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Arimidex @ .25mg ED or .5mg EOD keeps bloat down, keeps gyno at bay, and as long as you don't have crazy aromatization should be all you need during your cycle to keep you tight and somewhat dry. Less effect on gains than Nolva. Keep in mind you can run Nolva during your cycle also in case you have a nasty side.
People say Clomid sucks, makes you moody and it's just not as effective at Nolva. Lots run Nolva alone...lately the hot shit is a combination of both to take advantage of the plus's... When you take Nolva with Clomid you don't become a girl on the rag.. :P
Nolva is great.. start at 40-50mg daily, and work your way down by 10mg every week.. so 50/40/30/20/10 or 40/30/20/10/10.. You can do 300mg of Clomid the first day you take Nolva, then switch down to 150mg Clomid for the next week, go tapering down 50mg weekly.. I would only run the clomid the first two weeks of PCT along with my Nolva..
Letrozole can be a life saver if you have severe gyno.
Check out the many threads on PCT..the must haves for me are Nolva and Adex..
Though HCG is beneficial to PCT I don't consider it a part of PCT due to the fact it suppresses you..if you use this run 500iu daily for 10 days starting the day after your last inject..on the day after your last HCG inject (stop your Adex if you ran it) start your Clomid/Nolva...
Sorry in a rush, so it may be a little messy...ill be back if you have more questions..
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You're going to have to excuse me. Around here the general thoughts are, HCG makes your balls full, keeps your HPTA responsive, makes you a little sensitive around the pecker stand, and its one of the key factors in a rapid and successful PCT which equals retaining the most gains possible..
So for a 12 week test prop/ tren ace cycle you wouldn't run HCG? Just Nolva 10mg ed, and then do a 40mg-10mg taper of Nolva post injections?? I'm still trying to figure out what you do..how you do it..and why you do it...
If your testes are atrophied, then absolutely, I would use HCG. That is what it is used for, bringing the boys back to normal size, and this is done with HCG as it mimicks your leutinizing hormone, which does help you to recover a little faster. But your testes dont usually atrophy durring short cycles, and the use of HCG is not really neccesary as clomid and nolvadex are the mainstream PCT, and will get you back on track just fine. As to what I do and why? I have alot of experience, am on vacation right now, and enjoy giving advice. I put in my profile pretty much all you need to know as to who I am and what I do. I dont do AAS now, havent in over a year. I do strictly peptides, hgh. I have done enough AAS, enough research and personal experience to feel like I can answer some questions with educated and experienced answers. Is that OK? If not, just let me know. Dont want to step on toes, just haviing some fun.
I'm going to do a 12 week sust 250/Equipoise cycle. followed by liquid nolva and liquid clomid for pct. 5 months ago i got of a 10 week cycle of test c only. pct was nolvadex by balklan pharm . some sexual dysfunction for a bit. no libido and no stiffy. that passed but now bacne and chestne. so before i do another cycle i want to get my pct in order.
hopefully he means 500 sust and the same for the eq......
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As to what I do and why? I have alot of experience, am on vacation right now, and enjoy giving advice. I put in my profile pretty much all you need to know as to who I am and what I do. Iy dont do AAS now, havent in over a ear. I do strictly peptides, hgh. I have done enough AAS, enough research and personal experience to feel like I can answer some questions with educated and experienced answers. Is that OK? If not, just let me know. Dont want to step on toes, just haviing some fun.
You my friend are paranoid. I meant why do you manage your PCT in that way, also your advocation of 25mg daily of Nolva during cycle.. We're all here for fun, we all speak hypothetically, we're a bunch of educated liars.
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You my friend are paranoid. I meant why do you manage your PCT in that way, also your advocation of 25mg daily of Nolva during cycle.. We're all here for fun, we all speak hypothetically, we're a bunch of educated liars.
OK, I hear ya bro. I just got slammed by some youngster on another thread because I asked for stats in regards to his question, and he was offended enough to call me names and what not. So i was a little on gaurd.
25mg durring cycle is basically for prevention of gyno. Its not a for sure thing, but prevention is better than cure. Some guys dont have a problem with gyno and dont have to run nolvadex durring cycle, buyt for thwe ones who are just starting out in their AAS endeavors, and dont know if they are prone to gyno, I always suggest that they run nolva at 25mg a day durring cycle. It may hinder gains very slightly, but it helps to keep the estrogen rebound down to a point that gyno shouldnt become an issue. If you are in fact prone to gyno, you will notice nipples begin to itch, swell, hurt, symptoms of gyno, even while on 25mg a day durring cycle, and if this happens, then you can up the dose of niolvadex to a point were the symptoms subside.
If you run a cycle, especially first time, and dont run nolvadex, and are prone to gyno, then once the symptoms start, then they are alot harder to manage or get under control if you havent been running nolva durring cycle. I have seen guys that ran cycles for first time, didnt run nolvadex and within a month, gyno sets in, and for this one cat I know, it was too late. 500mg a week of test-e, and he got gyno so bad, that he was lactating from the nips and had to have surgery. Kinda puts a damper on your desire to everr want to do AAS after that.
Just my .002
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