HCG or Clomid?

[AADECA]

Im on my last week of test enanathate and EQ and i wanna get my test levels back to normal. I already have some nolva to block estrogens but im still not sure which product is the best of boosting test levels back to normal. Should i go with Clomid or HCG? any advice would be helpful Thanks.

[asapnutrition1]

Depends on how long your cycle was and how test you were taking each week. Boldenone can and does depress the HPTA but not as much as Test because it has a lower androgenic level then test.

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[Massive690]

hcg doesn't boost testosterone levels. it actually does the opposite and will keep you shut down. it is used for pct to reverse the testicular atrophy caused by a cycle. run the hcg 500iu ed for 10 days, then run the clomid to boost natural test

[The_Eviscerator]

I have talked to a few endocronologists and all of them say that clomid is as useful as a fist full of shit.

HCG at 1000 iu's a day for 5 days then take two days off and repeat would get you the recovery you need.

[The_Eviscerator]

Originally Posted by Massive690

hcg doesn't boot testosterone levels. it actually does the opposite and will keep you shut down.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but I would like to see some literature supporting that theory. HCG stimulates the Leydig cells in the testicles and causes them to produce more hormones. How this would shut you down is beyond my comprehension.

[aminus]

Excessive use of HCG can shut you down it mimics the action of luteinizing hormone in the body and it should be used concurrently with nolva or clomid at some point and should discontinue atleast 2 weeks before coming off the nolva/clomid to get your nat test levels back. I would use both HCG and clomid/nolva imo.

[bastiaan0740]

Originally Posted by The_Eviscerator

I have talked to a few endocronologists and all of them say that clomid is as useful as a fist full of shit.

HCG at 1000 iu's a day for 5 days then take two days off and repeat would get you the recovery you need.

You are wrong on both counts. Clomid DOES start recovery, HCG does NOT. HCG is needed for restoration of testicular atrophy but it supresses natural recovery. Clomid and nolva start natural recovery. Apart from the fact it apparently works for hundreds of thousands of BB, there are plenty of studies done on that, you (and your endocrinologists) feel free to look them up and read them. Also, using all hcg at the end of your cycle, instead of smaller amounts during the cycle, is not the best idea. Preservation is better than restoration. And higher doses of HCG may lead to permanent atrophy.

[The_Eviscerator]

Originally Posted by aminus

Excessive use of HCG can shut you down it mimics the action of luteinizing hormone in the body and it should be used concurrently with nolva or clomid at some point and should discontinue atleast 2 weeks before coming off the nolva/clomid to get your nat test levels back. I would use both HCG and clomid/nolva imo.

I agree with what you are saying here. But clomid alone does very little for you. Clomid and Nolva in conjunction with HCG (for a brief 2 week period ) works well. The use of HCG is moot if you have a LH level of over 6. Basically this means no amount of LH or HCG mimicking LH will stimulate your testes. I am not sure how many peopl are really getting the blood testing they need to make the proper decisions concerning their PCT.

I think a lot of us rely on wives tale info that is repeated over and over and taken as fact. Without a blood panel and close attention to details, it is all guess work. I know what works for me now. And it certainly was not Clomid or Nolva alone.

[enduranceAthlete]

Originally Posted by The_Eviscerator

I have talked to a few endocronologists and all of them say that clomid is as useful as a fist full of shit.

Damn. I've run clomid, but i've never tried a fist full of shit.

Did it work well for you?

When I get shut down I'll try almost anything. If my pct doesn't work, I am going to shit in my fist.

Does anyone know the dosages?

Is a fist full eod? ed?

Should you alternate fists? Maybe right fist, left fist eod?

How about two fisting?

Now, I'm assuming you eat it, right?

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by enduranceAthlete

Damn. I've run clomid, but i've never tried a fist full of shit.

Did it work well for you?

When I get shut down I'll try almost anything. If my pct doesn't work, I am going to shit in my fist.

Does anyone know the dosages?

Is a fist full eod? ed?

Should you alternate fists? Maybe right fist, left fist eod?

How about two fisting?

Now, I'm assuming you eat it, right?

I think it's quarter fist ed for 2 weeks, then down to eighth of a fist for one more week.