hcg protocol

[RexHead]

Dr. Scally,

Several years ago you performed an uncontrolled study of 19 HIV-negative eugonadal men, ages 23-57 years, administered testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate for 12 weeks, and then treated simultaneously with a combined regimen of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) (2500 IU/four times daily: 16 days), clomiphene citrate (50 mg PO twice daily :30 days) and tamoxifen (20 mg PO once daily: 45 days), to restore the HPGA. You achieved amazing results with this protocol.

What are your thoughts about running hcg during the cycle instead of during pct? Would it be benefitial to run hcg during cycle and also during pct? If so, what would the timing look like? I noticed you mentioned some of your patients ran hcg on cycle (1 month on/ 1 off). I do not have the education to fully understand how this works so please forgive my ignorance.

Thank you for you time,

Rex

[Nemesis RR]

Originally Posted by RexHead

Dr. Scally,

Several years ago you performed an uncontrolled study of 19 HIV-negative eugonadal men, ages 23-57 years, administered testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate for 12 weeks, and then treated simultaneously with a combined regimen of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) (2500 IU/four times daily: 16 days), clomiphene citrate (50 mg PO twice daily :30 days) and tamoxifen (20 mg PO once daily: 45 days), to restore the HPGA. You achieved amazing results with this protocol.

What are your thoughts about running hcg during the cycle instead of during pct? Would it be benefitial to run hcg during cycle and also during pct? If so, what would the timing look like? I noticed you mentioned some of your patients ran hcg on cycle (1 month on/ 1 off). I do not have the education to fully understand how this works so please forgive my ignorance.

Thank you for you time,

Rex

Can you please post a link to the study or more info on it please. I am curious on amounts and results.

[RexHead]

Originally Posted by Nemesis RR

Can you please post a link to the study or more info on it please. I am curious on amounts and results.

All I have is the abstract:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/downloads/scally-02a.pdf

and Dr. Scally references in his bio:

About Michael Scally, M.D. - Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonadism (ASIH)
Vergel N, Hodge AL, Scally MC. 2002 HPGA Normalization Protocol After Androgen Treatment. 4th International Workshop on Adverse Drug Reactions and Lipodystrophy in HIV. Antiviral Therapy 2002; 7:L53.

I'd really like to read some of his other articles but they don't seem to be appearing: http://mesomorphosis.com/articles/sc...y-vs-tsbme.htm

[RexHead]

There seems to so many protocols for running hcg floating around. I see people running it during cycle for 8 weeks on /off, 4 weeks on/ 2 off, start at week 4, start at week 1, etc, etc. Then you see people running anywhere from 250 iu twice a week to 5000 iu everyday. It's just very confusing.

The only other physician I found who commented on hcg is Dr. Crisler's (Swale). My understanding is he recommends the following (assuming once a week TRT injection of testosterone.):
250 iu two days before injection of testosterone
250 iu one day before injection of testosterone
The hcg is started at the beginning of the cycle and ended within a week after the end of the cycle (no mention of breaks).

Dr. Crisler also recommends not taking more the 500 iu at one time because it can "stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. "

I'm just wondering what Dr. Scally's current thoughts are about the most effective use of hcg.