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Have been doing a particularly heavy cycle for the past eight weeks, here is the run down:
Week 1-12 ...
Have been doing a particularly heavy cycle for the past eight weeks, here is the run down:
Week 1-12 500mg Deca EW
Week 1-12 750mg Sustanon EW
Week 3-5 45mg Dianabol ED (couldn't get any until week 3)
Week 1-3 & 9-12 50mg Winstrol ED (was taking Winny in the beginning since D-bol was not available)
Week 5-12 50mg Proviron ED
Week 3-12 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 3-12 1mg Arimidex ED
Had to go up on the Adex and Nolva to 1mg and 40mg ED to fight off some nasty gyno.
I now have some HCG and want to incorporate this into the cycle. I have never used HCG before since my testicular atrophy was much less pronounced during my previous cycles. The problem is, there is a lot of conflicting advise on how much to take and when. Some people say take 5000i.u. ED for three days immediately post cycle, then 5000i.u. every 5 days for three more doses. Yet others say that I should have been taking 500 - 1000i.u. ED for the duration of my cycle and none post-cycle. Even others say that you should take it in the middle of the cycle at 500i.u. ED for two weeks.
So after sorting through everything, I have decided to take 1000i.u. ED for two weeks starting with Week 10. So, if someone out there has had some first hand experience with this, lend a bro a hand!
HCG is now thougt to be best taken during cycle. Why let atrophy and potential damage occur to the testicles by starving them for 8, 12, or 16 weeks? And then try to revive them at the end? Doesn't make sense. HCG should be taken at 250-500ius, two to three times a week while on. than then discontinued with last AAS injection. Then begin clomid or Nolva therapy.
In your case you have let things go too far already so you need to get started ASAP and with a little aggressive modification to that. Go ahead and pin 2500ius on a Monday and then again on that friday. If no response by the next tues or wed then repeat again 5 days apart. You should respond by the fourth injeciton. Once you have responded then back down to 500ius (in this case) 2-3 times /week for the rest of your cycle.
You will know when you have responded to the HCG as your balls with blow up and feel like melons, hurt like blue balls, and they may even hurt the touch for a day or two. Overall it is a pretty good feeling psychologically....
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Originally Posted by Need2Grow
Guys,
Have been doing a particularly heavy cycle for the past eight weeks, here is the run down:
Week 1-12 500mg Deca EW
Week 1-12 750mg Sustanon EW
Week 3-5 45mg Dianabol ED (couldn't get any until week 3)
Week 1-3 & 9-12 50mg Winstrol ED (was taking Winny in the beginning since D-bol was not available)
Week 5-12 50mg Proviron ED
Week 3-12 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 3-12 1mg Arimidex ED
Had to go up on the Adex and Nolva to 1mg and 40mg ED to fight off some nasty gyno.
I now have some HCG and want to incorporate this into the cycle. I have never used HCG before since my testicular atrophy was much less pronounced during my previous cycles. The problem is, there is a lot of conflicting advise on how much to take and when. Some people say take 5000i.u. ED for three days immediately post cycle, then 5000i.u. every 5 days for three more doses. Yet others say that I should have been taking 500 - 1000i.u. ED for the duration of my cycle and none post-cycle. Even others say that you should take it in the middle of the cycle at 500i.u. ED for two weeks.
So after sorting through everything, I have decided to take 1000i.u. ED for two weeks starting with Week 10. So, if someone out there has had some first hand experience with this, lend a bro a hand!
Thanks for that BBC3. A little late in the game to take it for the full cycle, but I will keep that in mind for my next cycle. Have some testicular atrophy, noticeable, but not severe. So to re-touch on what you are saying:
2500i.u. - 5 days apart until testicular response
500i.u. - 2-3 times per week until the end of AAS administration
Yep, further if for some reason you have not responded by the 4th 2500iu inj, then go ahead and start nolva or clomid at that time as well. If for whatever reasone you have worked up to 8 2500iu injections with no response, you need to re-evaluate your HCG source. I would even go so far as to say that if you dont repsond by the 4th 2500iu injection, then go ahead and order from another source at that time. If it turns out that the stuff you have starts working in meantime then dont sweat it. HCG will keep for years as long as not mixed.
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Originally Posted by Need2Grow
Thanks for that BBC3. A little late in the game to take it for the full cycle, but I will keep that in mind for my next cycle. Have some testicular atrophy, noticeable, but not severe. So to re-touch on what you are saying:
2500i.u. - 5 days apart until testicular response
500i.u. - 2-3 times per week until the end of AAS administration
HCG is now thougt to be best taken during cycle. Why let atrophy and potential damage occur to the testicles by starving them for 8, 12, or 16 weeks? And then try to revive them at the end? Doesn't make sense. HCG should be taken at 250-500ius, two to three times a week while on. than then discontinued with last AAS injection. Then begin clomid or Nolva therapy.
In your case you have let things go too far already so you need to get started ASAP and with a little aggressive modification to that. Go ahead and pin 2500ius on a Monday and then again on that friday. If no response by the next tues or wed then repeat again 5 days apart. You should respond by the fourth injeciton. Once you have responded then back down to 500ius (in this case) 2-3 times /week for the rest of your cycle.
You will know when you have responded to the HCG as your balls with blow up and feel like melons, hurt like blue balls, and they may even hurt the touch for a day or two. Overall it is a pretty good feeling psychologically....
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Originally Posted by peanutbutter
for pct i i do HCG, 2 x 2500iu a week for 3 weeks..add also arimidex! nolvadex is too strong..not good.
Ok guys, can I get some kind of concensus here? Do I take it during the cycle as BBC3 is saying, or after the cycle like PB is saying?? Or both?? And I am already taking 40mg of Nolva and 1mg of Arimidex ED to stave off the gyno, so what's the deal there?
Further thought after reading more carefully. How early did the gyno come on? What were the symptoms? Simply puffy nips, or lumps underneath? If you started the Nolva and Adex at week three due to necessity at that time, then you have it under control right.? That pretty early on to have Nasty gyno set in. You may be compounding you recovery by running the Nolva so hard so early. The manufacturer prescribing info also states that 40mgs is not that much more effective than 20. The Adex ALONE should keep the gyno in check for future purpose, Consider that while Nolva BLOCKS estrogen uptake at breast tissue area, Adex prevents testosterone for every becomming Estrongen at an effective rate of 70-80 % Nolva also reduces Adex blood levels by 27%. Further the Manufacturer does not recommend simultaneous use. For future control you probably just need the Adex, unless you are just ultra sensative.
Consider this. It has long been held that Clomid is the choice for HTPA restart post cycle. And that Nolva was for gyno suppression on cycle, or even after. These days a lot of people are going with the Nolva for PCT instead of Clomid due to its strong restart powers, and lack of estrogenic side effects caused by Clomid as clomid is sort of a mild estrogen in its own right.. Isn't this going to confused the pituitary/ hypo when stimulated by Nolva this long, and this early on while it is also receiving the "sleep signal" from your body while on cycle.?? In your case you may want to consider getting some Clomid for your PCT as you may be diminishing the abiilty of the Nolva to do its job for PCT by using so early.
With regard to the HCG. Your first though on 1000iu /day for 10 days is not a bad one. BUT you will never get the "shock factor" of a larger dose at that rate. Also HCG does have a 3-4 day half life so it will still build up at that rate. Personally I just dont want to drop the ball on the 5 so to speak by not getting that first dose high enough when considering already suppressed for so long. You could even do a 2500iu shot and then continue on 1000ius/day till they are back. Dont run the 1000/day more than 10 days, or until restored regardless. The four week protocal I gave earlier is a HIGH SIDE scenario time wise and assumed your would restore within two weeks. I would hate to see you not get better in that time. That would indicate a potentially more serious problem created than anyone would want. IN SHORT, either way will work, Just dont take too much at once, or too much for too long. Both scenarios should be considered extreme, as needed for you case. and not to be exceeded without further professional evaluation. In current medical practice, an internal medicine or fertility doc would use HCG in a one time 5000iu dose. May twice separated by a little time and depending on the application. That 5000 iu dose is considered "strong" and serves its purpose weighted on the particular necessity.
Have been doing a particularly heavy cycle for the past eight weeks, here is the run down:
Week 1-12 500mg Deca EW
Week 1-12 750mg Sustanon EW
Week 3-5 45mg Dianabol ED (couldn't get any until week 3)
Week 1-3 & 9-12 50mg Winstrol ED (was taking Winny in the beginning since D-bol was not available)
Week 5-12 50mg Proviron ED
Week 3-12 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 3-12 1mg Arimidex ED
Had to go up on the Adex and Nolva to 1mg and 40mg ED to fight off some nasty gyno.
I now have some HCG and want to incorporate this into the cycle. I have never used HCG before since my testicular atrophy was much less pronounced during my previous cycles. The problem is, there is a lot of conflicting advise on how much to take and when. Some people say take 5000i.u. ED for three days immediately post cycle, then 5000i.u. every 5 days for three more doses. Yet others say that I should have been taking 500 - 1000i.u. ED for the duration of my cycle and none post-cycle. Even others say that you should take it in the middle of the cycle at 500i.u. ED for two weeks.
So after sorting through everything, I have decided to take 1000i.u. ED for two weeks starting with Week 10. So, if someone out there has had some first hand experience with this, lend a bro a hand!
For PCT...I would run, 2 days after last pin, 1000iu everyday for 10 days. That seems to be the
most common way people work an hCG post cycle...I will be doing this for my PCT, but I got
t.a. to reverse after my last cycle just using 250iu/e.d. for 20 days...either way the stuff works and
it works well. Expect some acne though. You may already know, but mix with BAC water and
keep in the fridge (FYI).
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