Help 316 Pounds 6ft - Deca And Jintropin

[marketingguru]

Help I just might be genetically cursed. Any way I have 3 personal trainers and none of them no jack about the juice.
About 6 weeks ago I was 319 and just decided to start going to the gym. Decided this is the only way that it will work out for me so I hired the biggest most intense trainer that they have but he doesn't do Hgh or juice so he doesn't know any thing in that area. I now train in the morning 5 days per week with him. My strength and recovery time has shot to a new level for me and I am making constant gains in those areas. I am training very hard and intense. I always wanted to have a six pack or just be ripped and I guess the only way to do that is to lose weight and do cardio. About 10 days ago I hired another trainer to lose weight because the scale was not moving with just the body buillding in the morning. This trainer is medium build and is a boxer. Even though I do not know jack about boxing I was told that boxing is great cardio and works the core area really well which is my weakest body area. So I hired that trainer 5 days a week in the afternoon. I am sweating , huffing and puffing and need breaks do to my lack of conditioning but getting a touch better each day. Also working very hard and intense. But the scale is not moving after all of this time I am 316 pounds. My arms are definately bigger, the sides of my core area have dropped. My chest is tighter basically general stuff. I would of expected working out 10 times per week at an hr a time would have droped the weight? Oh yea the diet, I have a training company for that to and I hire their cook to come to my house to prepare the meals for the week. This company is Visionary Trainers and their diet program is the Liberation Fitness Diet which they created. Basically no carbs, fat is good and protein. Do to the bartering I do with this company in exchange for marketing we provide for them the owner is always on me about my diet. But his style I do not think is for me he is thin with a six pack around 45 years old. I do not want to be thin and at this point I wnder if I could anyway, He believes in the fasting and only eat 2 times per day no carbs and no Msg. I will admit I like to eat and my portions are bigger than Visionary would suggest. I am very wide and am not losing weight on the scale. Visionary tells me that at my weight I should be droping weight like crazy and natural butter is good and Olive Oil is bad and milk is horrible, and animal fat is good for you. To be honest I am lost and need help. Of course I wouldn't tell them that I am taking Deca 1 cc per week 300 mg and Hgh on average 2 iu per day. But with all of this can some one tell me why will the scale not drop, am I on the right diet or not? Also how do I taper off the deca and how can I get T3 and all of those post cycle like hcg, Clomid and Nolvadex to balance out my hormones and I do not want any bitch tits? Should I be taking some thing else? Have I screwed up my system???
Also for over the counter I am taking Alli by glaxosmithkline to absorb fat. I am taking relacore because it says it will help against belly fat. I am taking Hydroxycut and Stacker 2 and my favorite Vapor by muscletech 2 times a day. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated by you pro's on here. PLEASE HELP

[PUMPED101]

good joke.....

[solo47]

Can't wait to see your before and after pics in six weeks!

Solo

[aragorn1500]

Welcome to Meso.

[jasthace]

Hey nice to see you here.
Could you tell us exactly what and how often they have you eating.
Also how much cardio are you doing dayly {time}.
and what bodybuilding routine are you doing.

[BILLYGRINGO]

Um

6' 316 lbs What is you Bf % ? with all these trainers certaily you know this.

You should not need any "recovery" treatment while on Deca or GH.

Sounds like they have you on a form of the Atkins diet. Not very heart healthy for such a large person. IMO

Where is all you weight ?

You have done a great job by relizing you need to get into shape. Do you have high blood pressure, hyper tention?

need more info before moving forward.

gringo

[Bosnian_Brawler]

He must be joking.....No way that someone that fat would even consider steroids...

[t3adubb]

Sounds like you need to stay away from Bulkers and just do a cut cycl... But Gringo will tell ya like it is so... Post the stats on diet, bf%, And how long have you been cycling? And if your on one of those Atkins diets be ready to go to the hospital..... If you dont get enough carbs you wont be able to break down the protein correctly and your acid levels will go out the roof and youll be sick as a dog!!! I know people that this has happend to, so Be Careful and good luck!

[texasman0206]

If you indeed have all this support such as the designed diet etc. You should look at it compared to diets on this forum, and see if it is inline with them. If I was in your position I would focus on a well balanced diet. Lots of fruits, veggies, tuna, chicken, and small portions of red meat. At that weight your cholesterol is probably high and you may have blood pressure issues. I would not be using gear at this time. You need to be in shape first. Six weeks of training is not enough to get started on gear. Focus on the treadmill not the weights. Don’t cut the weights out completely just go light lots of reps etc. Get your body use to everything. It’s a lifelong process. Just be patient and it will all come together for you.

IMO: If you keep this up using the gear etc you’re going to get discouraged and fail. Maybe even hurt yourself in the long run. Just remember gear is not the answer. Diet and exercise is.

[dennis]

Stop the deca..this is one reason you are not losing weight.Tell us how many cals you are consuming each day with this new diet and what type of foods.You must have plenty of money to hire all those trainers..you need to find one trainer you trust and stick with him..too many cooks ruin the stew bro.If i were you i would break down my daily workout with 50 % cardio and 50% weight training 4 days per week.2 days per week cardio only and take 1 day off per week but not off from the diet !

[unt0ld]

Originally Posted by t3adubb

Sounds like you need to stay away from Bulkers and just do a cut cycl... But Gringo will tell ya like it is so... Post the stats on diet, bf%, And how long have you been cycling? And if your on one of those Atkins diets be ready to go to the hospital..... If you dont get enough carbs you wont be able to break down the protein correctly and your acid levels will go out the roof and youll be sick as a dog!!! I know people that this has happend to, so Be Careful and good luck!

There is no such thing as a cutting cycle for someone who is out of shape and has no muscle.


I hate it when people say. O im going to cut up. When they have no idea how to bulk up.

Diet is how you cut up. not a "cutting cycle" or a "cutting steroid"

Please if your new to steroids, dont try to give advice on how to use them, when you really have no idea what your talking about.

Im surprised you didnt tell him to start taking some stanozolol. HAHA

[aragorn1500]

He's one of those one-post wonders. If you look at his screenname and read his profile it looks like he just signed up to sell something down the road.

[t3adubb]

Really... I didn't know that... W/E ... Next time i'll just link the info. and Dr's orders on here since you all are killing me here... but it's all good I know what a cut cyc. is and know its not gunna drop his weight and He has trainers..(like 5 of em'. Everyone told him bout the BF% issue and I wasn't gunna be mean about it..... But I do know what is what and Sorry if I put my "thoughts" into a post but anyway I said that in my post and to go read more..... But I do know alot more than you think just get most my info from the doc and in the Sticky's sometimes... But Good Luck To "aragorn1500"

I have an Online Dr. That can help as well, and give Rx's, if you want a Rx Leagally I know the way, and what to do and say to get about anything..... For legit reasons for me but ... You can easily get the Dr. to give you what you need!

[t3adubb]

This is not for loosing but I thought id post it anyway for the Diana Vs. Ana..





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The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol


For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

Anadrol ( oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960’s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990’s.

Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex.

Dianabol ( methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970’s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980’s. It somewhat waned during the 1990’s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000’s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.

Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca-durabolin.

I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.

I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.




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[t3adubb]

Originally Posted by t3adubb

This is not for loosing but I thought id post it anyway for the Diana Vs. Ana..





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The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol


For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

Anadrol ( oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960’s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990’s.

Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex.

Dianabol ( methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970’s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980’s. It somewhat waned during the 1990’s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000’s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.

Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca-durabolin.

I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.

I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.




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Didnt mean to put this here.. Diff. Argument.. Sorry but good info and links!

And who selling what? If your talking bout "ME" LOL.... I Wish.... I have all legal Rx In US... I can sell ya any Cer, Motor Bike, Exotic Import & Get ya some Appliance repair outta "MY" office.. lol And if it's about me whats wrong with my profile...? I DO research and go back on alot of the mod and senior members before I post (usually) But Good Luck... To ya Guru and there are good cycles for ya that your doc can prob. give you after blood work...(possibility....)50/50