Help with cycle and pct please

[Anhdalai]

So I'm going to be running a cycle of 12 weeks consisting of

Week 1-4 : Dbol 30mg ED
Week 1-12: Test E 500mg a week

Now I know many people would generally run Deca on this cycle, but would it be alright to run just the dbol/test ? Reason is I am primarily looking to run a test e cycle, but would like a decent front load at the beginning. I'm curious as to if this will kill my natural test production? For PCT I have clomid on hand, but wondering if Tamox from RS.net will suffice in place of Nolva? Supporting supplements (milk thistle, hawthorne berry extract, green tea) will be run and a strict diet of 2800 calories. Thanks for any help you guys can offer

[shreddedwheat]

What are your goals for this cycle? If it's to put on lean muscle I think you need to re-assess the 2800 calories. You'll be wasting your money otherwise. You'll need to consume 4000-5000 "clean" calories per day with the major emphasis on proteins. If you're cutting, why would you use D-Bol? Give us an indication of your goals for this cycle and you'll receive more specific advice. Any AAS will shut down natural test production. Have you done any research at all? Sorry if I sound a bit abrupt, but not knowing whether or not AAS will shut down natural test production is a clear indication that you've done fuck all research.

[Anhdalai]

My main goals are to have a mix cutting and bulking. Which is why I have aimed my calorie intake so low, and i realize 2800 is on the low side, as to compared if i was trying to bulk then i would be running 4000+ , i would without a doubt be running a deca/dbol/teste cycle with slightly higher dosages of test. I've been contemplating running between 20-30mg of dbol a day which would give a decent jumpstart of the cycle, yet not get my test levels too high as if i were to run 40 and 1000mg of test if i wanted to bulk. I realize natural test production will always suffer at the end of these cycles, which is why i am concerned of my PCT, aka; will Tamox suffice? Yet I'm curious as to what is thought raises test levels too high at the beginning of the cycle, such as running too high a dosage of dbol, for natural test production to have an easier time returning to normal during PCT. My main question is pertaining to my PCT, not help with putting together a complete cycle. Although critiquing is more than welcome instead of being a complete asshole.

[bigbench]

The dbol will have no difference in your issue with test production. If you are taking ten differrent chems or just one, your test will start deminishing at about week 2 to 3. So any cycle over that length, you will need pct to get your hormone levels back into the normal range. Also, the dbol is not going to raise your test levels too high. Test e takes around 3-5 weeks to fully kick in, (depending on the individual) so the dbol will help you start seeing results faster. If you are looking to do a mixture cycle, cutting bulking (which to be honest, your not going to be able to gp very far in either direction doing them at the same time) I would recomend doing your cardio hard and long first thing in the morning with zero food in your stomach. Dont even eat for another hour or two if you can after that. Then, start your regualar eating habits. Pack away as much clean food during the day you can. The cardio in the morning willl burn only fat since your glycogen levels are low. Then as you start packing away food, you can rebuild the muscles you are breaking down bigger with all the nutrients you need to gain some size

[HDH]

Tamox is Nolva

Simply put- Your test levels are high throughout the cycle because of the synthetic Testosterone that you are putting in your body. Your natural test is "shutdown" because the body no longer needs to produce it because because the Test is already there. When the cycle is over your natural test is still down and the Nolva / Tamox helps to get it back up quicker. Some also use HCG to help with this process.

HDH

[dennis]

Originally Posted by HDH

Tamox is Nolva

Simply put- Your test levels are high throughout the cycle because of the synthetic Testosterone that you are putting in your body. Your natural test is "shutdown" because the body no longer needs to produce it because because the Test is already there. When the cycle is over your natural test is still down and the Nolva / Tamox helps to get it back up quicker. Some also use HCG to help with this process.

HDH

" Some use hcg to help with this process"...but not HDH !

[HDH]

Originally Posted by dennis

" Some use hcg to help with this process"...but not HDH !

HDH

[Anhdalai]

Originally Posted by HDH

Tamox is Nolva

Simply put- Your test levels are high throughout the cycle because of the synthetic Testosterone that you are putting in your body. Your natural test is "shutdown" because the body no longer needs to produce it because because the Test is already there. When the cycle is over your natural test is still down and the Nolva / Tamox helps to get it back up quicker. Some also use HCG to help with this process.

HDH

This is the perfect answer i was looking for. I knew Tamox and Nolva share the same main compounds, but was just curious if they indeed acted identically. Thanks HDH

[Anhdalai]

Originally Posted by bigbench

I would recomend doing your cardio hard and long first thing in the morning with zero food in your stomach. Dont even eat for another hour or two if you can after that. Then, start your regualar eating habits. Pack away as much clean food during the day you can. The cardio in the morning willl burn only fat since your glycogen levels are low. Then as you start packing away food, you can rebuild the muscles you are breaking down bigger with all the nutrients you need to gain some size

More great help. I was planning to do 45 min in the morning and 45 min at night of cardio, yet with large amounts of resistance. I have to say this actually appeals to me more.

[dougdr]

i run 500 iu every 5 days of hcg during my cycle and always keeps the horses in the stable {testicles in check} even if taking deca or tren give it a shot its cheap and easy to get