help with cycle, please critique - MESO-Rx

rook48 · #1 (**permalink**) 09-30-2004, 08:46 PM

hey can some of you guys critque my cycle that I plan on doing.

I should probably give you my stats first. I'm 19 and the only thing i've used is deca for 600 mg/week for 8 weeks about 5 or 6 months ago and didn't take anything to get my natural test back up afterwords, i was feeling it. But I'm 205 ilbs (was 220 but cut down for the summer), 5'7, 17.5" arms, 47 or 48" chest i think, 27" legs, 33" waist, but I haven't done my measurements for a while.

Anyway, here's what I want to do:
wk 1: 200 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 2: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wks 3-4: 400 EQ, 500 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 5: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wks 6-8: 400 EQ, 750 Stest
wk 9: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wk 10: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 11: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 12: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 13: 67 tren EOD

wks 1-13: 10 mg/novladex/ day
wk 13: 100 mg clomid/ day
wk 14: 50 mg clomid/ day

I'm spreading the EQ and Test like this so I can take the tren the first four and last four weeks, from what I've read it's pretty toxic after 4 weeks

MASSIVE1000 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigkarch

I dont understand 67 tren EOD bro...What are you trying to gain...what are your goals....I dont like that cycle, it seems to hard to understand and not viable. If your goals, given your cycle is to gain lean muscle but a mild bulker, I would go with just a test/tren cycle.....I suggest test at 500 mg of test and tren e at 500 mg...your diet and training will dictate the rest.....Let me know what your goals are or what you think of that cycle.

I agree! Some of you guys make this too damn complicated....there is no need to run Eq and tren together....do one or the other.

rook48 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 03:41 PM

my goal is to put on about 15-20 ilbs of solid muscle. i would do the tren with EQ because they both do different things and act completely different as far as how they work. the half life for tren is totally different from EQ, which is why I would take tren EOD basically because you have to.

thanks for your input guys

steel59 · #4 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 03:57 PM

I wouldn't seperate the tren... It's overstated how toxic it is... I'd run that the last 8 weeks... Start your eq at 600mg and then 400mg for the next nine weeks... pick up some more test and run it at the same dosage straight through the cycle... 500mg/week is fine... Eat clean, train hard... don't forget to rest... good luck bro

BigYNY · #5 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 04:08 PM

Make it simple
week 1-11 eq at 600 mg week
week 1-12 test at 750 mg week
week 8-14 tren acetate at 75mg ED
week 14 clomid 300mg day 1, 100mg days for the next 10 days and 50mg for the next 10 days
keep taking nolva at 10mg throuout the cycle

PUMPED101 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 06:22 PM

rook...to be quite honest with you, your cycle makes little sense...like the bros said above keep it simple...do a little more research while you are at it...this board is filled with useful information..it amazes me how few people actually do some research....be smart research...

two options with the gear you posted....

500 mgs of test enan a wk, wks 1-13
400-500 mgs of EQ a wk, wks 1-12
(optional) oral winny 50 mgs ed, wks 10-15
10 mgs nolv ed
PCT..do a seach there are many different ways to run it..

or
500 mgs of test enan a wk wks 1-12
400-500 mgs of Tren enan a wk wks 1-10
10 mgs of nolv ed
200-300 mgs of B-6 ed
PCT

good luck and stay safe

Quote:

Originally Posted by rook48

hey can some of you guys critque my cycle that I plan on doing.

I should probably give you my stats first. I'm 19 and the only thing i've used is deca for 600 mg/week for 8 weeks about 5 or 6 months ago and didn't take anything to get my natural test back up afterwords, i was feeling it. But I'm 205 ilbs (was 220 but cut down for the summer), 5'7, 17.5" arms, 47 or 48" chest i think, 27" legs, 33" waist, but I haven't done my measurements for a while.

Anyway, here's what I want to do:
wk 1: 200 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 2: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wks 3-4: 400 EQ, 500 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 5: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wks 6-8: 400 EQ, 750 Stest
wk 9: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wk 10: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 11: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 12: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 13: 67 tren EOD

wks 1-13: 10 mg/novladex/ day
wk 13: 100 mg clomid/ day
wk 14: 50 mg clomid/ day

I'm spreading the EQ and Test like this so I can take the tren the first four and last four weeks, from what I've read it's pretty toxic after 4 weeks

rook48 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 09:15 PM

as far as test goes, and i know they're different, which works better sustanon or test enan?

mrpg13 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rook48

as far as test goes, and i know they're different, which works better sustanon or test enan?

This is a matter of opinion, but I prefer a one ester test, like enanthate. Its easier to keep blood levels staedy, and manage side effects.

Either way, listen to the other bro's, and keep it simple.

Good Luck

test-one · #9 (**permalink**) 10-02-2004, 10:15 AM

how long have you been traing?
at 19 youd think youd have lots of test still flowin.id say lay of the gear for a few years and max out your natural potential.but hey what do i know?

rook48 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-02-2004, 12:15 PM

I've been training for about 6 years, and I've put on a lot of quality muscle, but it's much harder to make good gains than before. I've gotten up to about 210, probably at 10-12% bf, and i doubt i'll get much higher than that becaue of my genetics.

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Originally Posted by test-one

how long have you been traing?
at 19 youd think youd have lots of test still flowin.id say lay of the gear for a few years and max out your natural potential.but hey what do i know?