Help with Deca/Winny cycle and Gyno (?)

[jmills]

I met an old friend at the gym earlier today...hadn't seen him in quite a while. He pulled me over to the side and asked for a little advice, but I have no idea what to tell him. First of all, he's a big guy and he has been lifting for 10 years, probably 5"10' around 235-240 12-14 %. Hes not an idiot, even though you guys are going to bust his balls when i tell you what he's done.

Here's the deal: He says he has a painful lump under his right nipple...its driving him crazy, and I can tell he's worried like hell about it. He says he did an 8 wk cycle of deca only (600mg/wk), then he followed that with a 6 wk cycle of winny (no idea what the dosage was....I know, I know....I told you!)
He did not do a PCT...
He says the lump came on 2 months after the winny...

Now, I have no idea what to tell him. Should he start an agressive arimadex dosage? Any ideas he can try?

Thanks guys,
James

[advanced-stealth]

If his nipple is in that much pain he can immediately start taking either Letro or even Arimidex.

How long ago was his cycle complete?

[perseverance]

agree with A-S, letro should do the trick

[jmills]

He says the cycle ended about 2 months ago...he was told by somebody else that he should take A-dex, but I have read here about taking something different for Deca sides (caused by progesterone, maybe?) so thats why I asked here. I figure it has to be the Deca, Ive never heard of anyone getting gyno (or like symptoms) from Winstrol...right?

I appreciate the help guys, can you give me some kind of dosage/frequency schedule for him to start out with? Is there a reason to go And since Letro is pretty harsh in terms of estrogen suppression (right?), should he taper off of it to avoid a rebound affect, or am I completely off base there?

Also, I appreciate your restraint...believe me, I have (and will continue to) give him hell about not having his shit together regarding a proper PCT.

Again, I appreciate any help I can get for him...

[bigbench]

Chances are that it is not progest sides causing the gyno seeing how he stopped the deca almost 4 months ago. But since deca remains in the system so long and will shut you down to a large degree, he is probably just experiencing a lot of estrogen without the presence of test in his body. Since he did not try to recover, that is all he has going aroudn his body right now. Letro and nolva would be a great way to get him back. The letro will boost test levels, the nolva will go in and imeditaly block the esrtogen in the mamory glands and the combo will help him return back to normal

[jmills]

Thanks BB, as always I appreciate the help.

What do you think of this:

Wk 1 : 2 mg Letro/20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 2 : 1.5 mg Letro/ 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 3 : 1.25 mg Letro/ 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 4 : 1 mg Letro/ 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 5 : .75 mg Letro/ 10 mg Nolva ED
Wk 6 : .5 mg Letro ED
Wk 7 : .25 mg Letro ED

Or would this make more sense?

Wk 1 : 2 mg Letro / 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 2 : 1.5 mg Letro / 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 3 : 1 mg Letro / 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 4 : .5 mg Letro / 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 5 : .25 mg Letro / 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 6 : 20 mg Nolva ED
Wk 7 : 10 mg Nolva ED


I'm guessing that option 2 would be better at avoiding an estrogen rebound effect, but any opinions are appreciated.

[jmills]

from what i've read, at those letro dosages his estrogen levels will be pretty much undetectable...so I know he will have to be super careful and pay close attention to the status of his joints "listen" to his body. I guess it's either that or go buy training bras, and I'm hoping just 6-7 weeks will be a short enough time to not effect him adversely too much.

I'm also thinking that it would be a good idea to evaluate where he is at about wk 3 with either of the above...he may need to keep the Letro level high (if the lump is not responding) or maybe even take a bigger bump down (if it is really going away).

Any thoughts, opinions?

[bigbench]

Option two would be much better. And exactly, he needs to listen to his body.

[jmills]

That seems logical...I appreciate the help guys!