Help me out

[Ironhorse]

I have been working out for quite a while, but am a very, very hard gainer. I eat right, eat protien by the shovelfull. Dont gain much at all. I'll be 36 years next month and am sick and tired of not getting the results I want. I'm 6' tall and around 168-170lbs.
Been researching steroids for a while, but just when I think I'm starting to understand them a little more, I'm confused again.

I dont want injectables if I can help it. This would be my first cycle.
Could someone set up a stack list for a begginer who wants to gain 25lbs?
Decca? Winni v? winstrol?

Totally lost, please help

Thanks
IH

[Big_paul]

500mgs test cyp or enethate ew.
50mgs dbol ed
injecting is easy after the first few times. if your going to you aas, then you need to get over the fear of needles. injectables don't smoke the liver the way c17 alkalated orals do. thats not to say that you should leave them out of your cycle. 4-5 weeks tops for the dbol.
500mgs test cyp 10-12 weeks
dbol the first 4-5 weeks at 50mgs ed followed by pct.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Big_paul

500mgs test cyp or enethate ew.
50mgs dbol ed
injecting is easy after the first few times. if your going to you aas, then you need to get over the fear of needles. injectables don't smoke the liver the way c17 alkalated orals do. thats not to say that you should leave them out of your cycle. 4-5 weeks tops for the dbol.
500mgs test cyp 10-12 weeks
dbol the first 4-5 weeks at 50mgs ed followed by pct.

dbol the first 4-5 weeks at 50mgs ed followed by pct. Whats pct?

Also, I understand this is a pretty touchy subject, and wouldnt even begin to ask anyone for a supply source, but how can I be sure what I get is real? I mean, I dont want to spend a few bills on shit, you know? How can I narrow this down without stepping on anyones toes?
Any help would be great.
Thanks again,
IH

[van-man]

I don't know what research you've been doing, but if you don't know what pct is then you are no where near ready to introduce steroids into your workout program. And, just because you are scared of needles does not mean you should go with an all oral program. That's just chicken shit! The first cycle should only be test cyp or enanthate for 8 to 10 weeks at 400 - 500mg per week. No D-bol or anything else for the first couple of cycles, period! You have no idea how your body will react to steroids, and until then you don't want to add exessively strong compounds.

Buy a couple bottles of test cyp or enanthate
Buy enough nolvadex to run 20mg per day for 6 to 8 weeks pct.
And do real research....

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

dbol the first 4-5 weeks at 50mgs ed followed by pct. Whats pct?

Also, I understand this is a pretty touchy subject, and wouldnt even begin to ask anyone for a supply source, but how can I be sure what I get is real? I mean, I dont want to spend a few bills on shit, you know? How can I narrow this down without stepping on anyones toes?
Any help would be great.
Thanks again,
IH

pct= post cycle therapy..you know ..it's what you follow up with after your aas cycle is finished to keep gains and bring test levels back..testical size back etc..I am 42 but about your size...aas steroids done correctly 1st cycle you can gain 15-25 pounds even as a hard gainer..

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by van-man

I don't know what research you've been doing, but if you don't know what pct is then you are no where near ready to introduce steroids into your workout program. And, just because you are scared of needles does not mean you should go with an all oral program. That's just chicken shit! The first cycle should only be test cyp or enanthate for 8 to 10 weeks at 400 - 500mg per week. No D-bol or anything else for the first couple of cycles, period! You have no idea how your body will react to steroids, and until then you don't want to add exessively strong compounds.

Buy a couple bottles of test cyp or enanthate
Buy enough nolvadex to run 20mg per day for 6 to 8 weeks pct.
And do real research....

Im definately going to take your advice and do appreciate it. I have been trying to research this stuff, but still somewhat confused. I was just wondering what would be the best and safest way to go about it. Thanks again.........

IH

[mr.nitro]

you have to overcome your fear of needles. oral only cycles are terrible.

as for sources for steroids, stick around long enough and ask questions, when people get to know you enough they will hook you up with sources.

[Ironhorse]

I hear ya. Found a few places on the web, but who knows if its even real test enant or something totally fu**ed up. Anyhow, looks like I have my work cut out for me. I can deal with it. Im sure I wouldnt be the first to get ripped off. When I do order some how could I tell if its real or not? When it comes in I wouldnt know what a real legit bottle looks like. Any ideas?
Thanks for being patient with me guys, this is just a touchy subject I know.

IH

[dennis]

iron horse..go to british dragon's web site...look at their aproved suppliers list.I promise you if you just start surfing around web looking for aas sites you will get ripped off.Also beware of anyone sending you private messages from this site..scammers are watching you for sure..d