HELP no sex drive

[BOB1968]

OK this is my first post but have been readin this site for about 5 years.
but never really post
I'm 39 been doing cycles since i was about 32.
always had time in between and before i started and did pct with nolv and clomid
i had test levels checked and was low end of scale before i ever did first shot, but always had a sex drive.

almost 1 yr ago i started a cycle of test e 500 week tren e 400 week
that lasted about 12 weeks . then since i always rebounded hard i decided to do TRT ive been doing 200 Test E 7- 10 days apart for the last 8 months
about 3 months ago i lost all sex drive ( dont really even think of sex )can get it hard (or semi)sometimes but after about 10-15 min goes down if i do come very thick small loads. been doing hcg 1000mcg for 3 days every month.
had blood tested
i will give you numbers i think you want if ya need more i will include
IGF-1 FACTOR 1 129 --------------- 109-284
GROWTH SERUM .03 -------------- .00-6.0
SHBG 16 ------ --------------- 13-71
THYROID TSH 3.297 -------------- .350-5.5
T4 6.4 -------- -------------- 4.5-12
T3 UP 29 --------------------- 24-39
FREE THYROX 1.9 -------------- 1.2-4.9
DHEA 124 ---------------- 120-520
ESTRADOIL 18 --- ----------- 0-53
UIBC 149 ------------------- 150-375
IRON SER 168 --------------- 40-155
AST 109 --------------- 0-40
ALT 92 --------------- 0-55
HDL 34 --------------- 40-59
LDL 135 -------------- 0-99
TEST SERUM 646 ------------- 241-827
FREE TEST 27.45 -------------- 5-21
% FREE TEST 4.25 ------------- 1.5-4.2
RBC 5.84 --------------- 4.1-5.6
HEMOG 17.9 -------------- 12.5-17
HEMCRIT 52.1 -------------- 36-50
PLATELETS 126 -------------- 140-415
LH .3 --------------- 1.5-9.3
FSH .3 ------------- 1.4-18.1


ALL OTHERS CAME OUT NORMAL

I THOUGHT MAY BE PROGESTERONE SO I HAVE ORDERED SOME CABER
BUT THIS HAS GOT ME A LITTLE WORRIED AND MY WIFE MAD
ANY HELP ON THE SUBJECT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
BOB

[Philsey1]

Originally Posted by BOB1968

OK this is my first post but have been readin this site for about 5 years.
but never really post
I'm 39 been doing cycles since i was about 32.
always had time in between and before i started and did pct with nolv and clomid
i had test levels checked and was low end of scale before i ever did first shot, but always had a sex drive.

almost 1 yr ago i started a cycle of test e 500 week tren e 400 week
that lasted about 12 weeks . then since i always rebounded hard i decided to do TRT ive been doing 200 Test E 7- 10 days apart for the last 8 months
about 3 months ago i lost all sex drive ( dont really even think of sex )can get it hard (or semi)sometimes but after about 10-15 min goes down if i do come very thick small loads. been doing hcg 1000mcg for 3 days every month.
had blood tested
i will give you numbers i think you want if ya need more i will include
IGF-1 FACTOR 1 129 --------------- 109-284
GROWTH SERUM .03 -------------- .00-6.0
SHBG 16 ------ --------------- 13-71
THYROID TSH 3.297 -------------- .350-5.5
T4 6.4 -------- -------------- 4.5-12
T3 UP 29 --------------------- 24-39
FREE THYROX 1.9 -------------- 1.2-4.9
DHEA 124 ---------------- 120-520
ESTRADOIL 18 --- ----------- 0-53
UIBC 149 ------------------- 150-375
IRON SER 168 --------------- 40-155
AST 109 --------------- 0-40
ALT 92 --------------- 0-55
HDL 34 --------------- 40-59
LDL 135 -------------- 0-99
TEST SERUM 646 ------------- 241-827
FREE TEST 27.45 -------------- 5-21
% FREE TEST 4.25 ------------- 1.5-4.2
RBC 5.84 --------------- 4.1-5.6
HEMOG 17.9 -------------- 12.5-17
HEMCRIT 52.1 -------------- 36-50
PLATELETS 126 -------------- 140-415
LH .3 --------------- 1.5-9.3
FSH .3 ------------- 1.4-18.1


ALL OTHERS CAME OUT NORMAL

I THOUGHT MAY BE PROGESTERONE SO I HAVE ORDERED SOME CABER
BUT THIS HAS GOT ME A LITTLE WORRIED AND MY WIFE MAD
ANY HELP ON THE SUBJECT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
BOB

I have the same symptoms and never did roids. Phil

[nd1024]

Originally Posted by BOB1968

OK this is my first post but have been readin this site for about 5 years.
but never really post
I'm 39 been doing cycles since i was about 32.
always had time in between and before i started and did pct with nolv and clomid
i had test levels checked and was low end of scale before i ever did first shot, but always had a sex drive.

almost 1 yr ago i started a cycle of test e 500 week tren e 400 week
that lasted about 12 weeks . then since i always rebounded hard i decided to do TRT ive been doing 200 Test E 7- 10 days apart for the last 8 months
about 3 months ago i lost all sex drive ( dont really even think of sex )can get it hard (or semi)sometimes but after about 10-15 min goes down if i do come very thick small loads. been doing hcg 1000mcg for 3 days every month.
had blood tested
i will give you numbers i think you want if ya need more i will include
IGF-1 FACTOR 1 129 --------------- 109-284
GROWTH SERUM .03 -------------- .00-6.0
SHBG 16 ------ --------------- 13-71
THYROID TSH 3.297 -------------- .350-5.5
T4 6.4 -------- -------------- 4.5-12
T3 UP 29 --------------------- 24-39
FREE THYROX 1.9 -------------- 1.2-4.9
DHEA 124 ---------------- 120-520
ESTRADOIL 18 --- ----------- 0-53
UIBC 149 ------------------- 150-375
IRON SER 168 --------------- 40-155
AST 109 --------------- 0-40
ALT 92 --------------- 0-55
HDL 34 --------------- 40-59
LDL 135 -------------- 0-99
TEST SERUM 646 ------------- 241-827
FREE TEST 27.45 -------------- 5-21
% FREE TEST 4.25 ------------- 1.5-4.2
RBC 5.84 --------------- 4.1-5.6
HEMOG 17.9 -------------- 12.5-17
HEMCRIT 52.1 -------------- 36-50
PLATELETS 126 -------------- 140-415
LH .3 --------------- 1.5-9.3
FSH .3 ------------- 1.4-18.1


ALL OTHERS CAME OUT NORMAL

I THOUGHT MAY BE PROGESTERONE SO I HAVE ORDERED SOME CABER
BUT THIS HAS GOT ME A LITTLE WORRIED AND MY WIFE MAD
ANY HELP ON THE SUBJECT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
BOB

It sometimes takes a year before you get your natty test levels back up to par. I think that you experienced a poor PCT after your cycle, or not a very good one. DID you even do a PCT after ypour cycle? You are too young to be on TRT. If you dont stop now and give your body time to regroup and get its natural endocrine system up and running, you will never be free of trt, and believe me, you dont want to have to do it for the rest of your life. You dhea and fsh are low and youer liver values are high. Do you drink alot? take alot of tylenol or ibuprophen? Are you still doing any kind of oral steroids, dbol, anadrol?
Get some clomid and nolvadex and do a strong PCT, buck up in the gym regardless of how you feel, and get off of the TRT, unless you had problems with low test levels beforwe you started your cycle. Always remember, time on a cycle = at least time off. The time you were on cycle, 12 weeks, means you should have taken at least 12 weeks off before even thinkling about doing another cycle, and even 12 weeks off is usually not enough time to get your natty test levels back to normal. That is what its all about. Getting your natty test levels back up after a cycle before you start another one. Your FSH (folicular stimulating hormone) and lh (lutinizing hormone) has alot to do with why your sex drive and inability to get back to normal is a problem. Also start taking some milk thistle everyday for your liver, and get some dhea at a health food store and take it at at least triple what the fda recommends, it wont hurt you to do this, and stop the trt and do a strong pct. Then After awhile, go back and get bloodwork again.
Have you ever cycled before this one? And if so, what was your experiences in the past?

[Fraggle]

What are you talking about?

If you look at serum T levels, and in particular free T, he is fully and totally recovered. In fact, he's a better then recovered as the amount of SHBG circulating must be low to give a free T ratio of 4.25%

The problem is that libido and erectile function are dependent on so many factors. This is a long shot... your estradiol levels are normal, but with low SHBG, you are going to have more unbound/active estradiol. I certainly find a loss in libido and erectile function when estradiol is high. While your's isn't high, it may be functionally high through the mediation of SHBG.

AAS and melanotan I and II are the only things I know of that improve libido.

Erectile function can be improved with any of the nitric oxide products, i.e. viagra, cialis, levitra, etc... and melanotan. The journals state that testosterone does not effect erectile function, but the endocrinologists I know say they have not seen a single instance where erectile function was not improved by testosterone. DHT in particular has a significant impact on erectile function...

[dennis]

Fraggle...would using hcg much more regular help him ????

[Fraggle]

hhhmmm...

HCG 3x month isn't really within the normal dosage paradigms at all. For fertility issues it is used at 1000IU 3x week for 6 months and then with continued failure to conceive hMG is added at 75IU 3x week.

Unfortunately, I am not familiar with HCG use from an endo stand point. I am meeting with a specialist research facility in the next month for the specific purpose of developing treatment modalities for TRT with HCG. I'm going to have to defer to a later date or someone with more information. I can state that my personal plan for TRT involves the following:

day 1: 100mg test cyp
day 6: 250IU HCG
day 7: 250IU HCG
day 8: 100mg test cyp
day 13: 250IU HCG
day 14: 250IU HCG
etc...

But the goal I am trying to achieve (in concert with my endo) are specific to me...

[zkt]

Originally Posted by BOB1968

OK this is my first post but have been readin this site for about 5 years.
but never really post
I'm 39 been doing cycles since i was about 32.
always had time in between and before i started and did pct with nolv and clomid
i had test levels checked and was low end of scale before i ever did first shot, but always had a sex drive.

almost 1 yr ago i started a cycle of test e 500 week tren e 400 week
that lasted about 12 weeks . then since i always rebounded hard i decided to do TRT ive been doing 200 Test E 7- 10 days apart for the last 8 months
about 3 months ago i lost all sex drive ( dont really even think of sex )can get it hard (or semi)sometimes but after about 10-15 min goes down if i do come very thick small loads. been doing hcg 1000mcg for 3 days every month.
had blood tested
i will give you numbers i think you want if ya need more i will include
IGF-1 FACTOR 1 129 --------------- 109-284
GROWTH SERUM .03 -------------- .00-6.0
SHBG 16 ------ --------------- 13-71
THYROID TSH 3.297 -------------- .350-5.5
T4 6.4 -------- -------------- 4.5-12
T3 UP 29 --------------------- 24-39
FREE THYROX 1.9 -------------- 1.2-4.9
DHEA 124 ---------------- 120-520
ESTRADOIL 18 --- ----------- 0-53
UIBC 149 ------------------- 150-375
IRON SER 168 --------------- 40-155
AST 109 --------------- 0-40
ALT 92 --------------- 0-55
HDL 34 --------------- 40-59
LDL 135 -------------- 0-99
TEST SERUM 646 ------------- 241-827
FREE TEST 27.45 -------------- 5-21
% FREE TEST 4.25 ------------- 1.5-4.2
RBC 5.84 --------------- 4.1-5.6
HEMOG 17.9 -------------- 12.5-17
HEMCRIT 52.1 -------------- 36-50
PLATELETS 126 -------------- 140-415
LH .3 --------------- 1.5-9.3
FSH .3 ------------- 1.4-18.1


ALL OTHERS CAME OUT NORMAL

I THOUGHT MAY BE PROGESTERONE SO I HAVE ORDERED SOME CABER
BUT THIS HAS GOT ME A LITTLE WORRIED AND MY WIFE MAD
ANY HELP ON THE SUBJECT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
BOB

OK this is my first post but have been readin this site for about 5 years.
but never really post
I'm 39 been doing cycles since i was about 32.
always had time in between and before i started and did pct with nolv and clomid
i had test levels checked and was low end of scale before i ever did first shot, but always had a sex drive.

almost 1 yr ago i started a cycle of test e 500 week tren e 400 week
that lasted about 12 weeks . then since i always rebounded hard i decided to do TRT ive been doing 200 Test E 7- 10 days apart for the last 8 months
about 3 months ago i lost all sex drive ( dont really even think of sex )can get it hard (or semi)sometimes but after about 10-15 min goes down if i do come very thick small loads. been doing hcg 1000mcg for 3 days every month.



The LH and Fsh and timing of the libido tanking indicate that you have reduced your pituitary output.

The T enan just made it worse.
T is not PCT
Your PCT was not well thought out and inadequate.
HPTA negetive feedback feedback and all that
You need to lay off the AS and T and do hcg in small doses for a (long) while
You need too keep a steady level of hcg and try to get some Leydig cell genesis and functionallity going
Try 500iu hcg eod for a few weeks.
Hope you dont mind a lot of sticks.
If libido doesnt return, up hcg too 500iu eod.

[Roms]

Hi zkt,

His lh and fsh are very low because he is on TRT so why do you suggest he stops everything and go on HCG only ?

Could you clarify that please:

The LH and Fsh and timing of the libido tanking indicate that you have reduced your pituitary output.

The T enan just made it worse.
T is not PCT
Your PCT was not well thought out and inadequate.
HPTA negetive feedback feedback and all that
You need to lay off the AS and T and do hcg in small doses for a (long) while
You need too keep a steady level of hcg and try to get some Leydig cell genesis and functionallity going
Try 500iu hcg eod for a few weeks.
Hope you dont mind a lot of sticks.
If libido doesnt return, up hcg too 500iu eod.

[zkt]

Originally Posted by Roms

Hi zkt,

His lh and fsh are very low because he is on TRT so why do you suggest he stops everything and go on HCG only ?

Could you clarify that please:

The LH and Fsh and timing of the libido tanking indicate that you have reduced your pituitary output.

The T enan just made it worse.
T is not PCT
Your PCT was not well thought out and inadequate.
HPTA negetive feedback feedback and all that
You need to lay off the AS and T and do hcg in small doses for a (long) while
You need too keep a steady level of hcg and try to get some Leydig cell genesis and functionallity going
Try 500iu hcg eod for a few weeks.
Hope you dont mind a lot of sticks.
If libido doesnt return, up hcg too 500iu eod.

No, dont completely stop the T. That will make the libido problem worse.
But decrease the quantity of injected T and increase hcg doseage and frequency in an atttempt to restart testicular T production.
For instance I am injecting 1000iu hcg and 2.5 ml T(200mg/ml) subq every 3-4 days in the same shot.
The hcg peaks in about 8-10 hrs with a half-life of ~36 hrs and the T peaks in ~24, stays high for another ~24 and drops off during the next day or two. This smoothes out the peaks and valleys that weekly injections often produce and subjects the testes to a more natural-like LH environment.
OK?
Does that clarify it?
If not -not sure what you want clarified.

[BBC3]

I am going to jump in here and take a shot at this one. From an outside perspective. Keep the testosterone at 200/mg every seven days tops. If you are going 10 days right now, move to 7 days apart. All I am saying is try taking your test up to 900 range. You may be naturally inclined to higher level. I am also going to have to agree with Fraggle. Sounds like functional problem with sex binding hormone. BUT, I am going to add, (I am not sure from your post how much HCG you are doing and how often) I personally feel that HCG is STRONG MEDICINE!!!! Reaction and consequence I feel is much higher with HCG, as compared to test supplementation. When you are talking about leydig desensitization, I just dont think this stuff should be messed around with like that. Regular use should probably not involve more than 100-200 iu every 2-3 days. You are pinning way too much of that stuff to be sparced out over a month like that, or that regular for sure. Based on my personal experience, I would say any dose higher than 2-300iu's, should only be used for a PCT measure and VERY occasionally. I am no doc, but I can tell you I get much more profound affect on my body from HCG, rather than test. I agree with Fraggle, the sbgh is the problem, but I think the cause is your callous use of HCG. You may want to (1)back off everything, (2) pin a couple of 5000 iu blasts of HCG one week apart, and (3)then start a PCT regimen with Clomid for a month or two, and then seal the deal with something like Nolva. (lay low for 3-4 more months then get tested. If all is ok, enjoy yourself a nice long cycle, just dont pin anymore HCG for about a year. I think that has something to do with it. Just my thoughts.

[bulkman123]

no sex drive? maybe you need a better lookin bitch

[BBC3]

Hi Bob, bulk has gone away now and he does not speak for anyone here. I am not even sure which of his many personalities was posting. This guy was jerking people out of their car windows in traffic for god's sake. I think he is the poster child for anti-steroid war. In fact, I heard the war on drugs has promoted him to General and is publishing his face in all schools....
ANYWAY, I dont know why so many here have to blindly harp on PCT. Dont listen, read. As far as I am concerned the only people that should justify putting a poison like Nolva in their bodies are profession competitors that can not afford to miss a step. I take that back, they just back down to 500mg/week every now and then. You should have some things on hand but only for emergencies. You certainly want something around in case you get into trouble and start growing nice titties. AND I do not consider HCG to be PCT. It is another form of "steroid" seems to me, and best option for maintenance and restart. I am not yet sure how relates in PCR and what consequences are. But sure seems like strong medicine to be playing with regularly, unless you absolutely medically require it. I found that you simply start aromatizing more estrogen with the length of exogenous testosterone use. As far as cycling long term half life steroids (deca, etc). My personal thoughts are that it would be better just to continue on with test only until the halflife of whatever other steroid you were using is burned up for sure, pin some HCG and sitt back for 4 weeks preparing for the week of insanity, and them BANG!!!! You will be back online in a weekend. I strayed, sorry. Guys, why doesnt he just try some zinc only supplementation and see if that helps??????? Of course while continuing the testosterone.

[twigman]

I had the same problem and you have to decide one of these.Are you going to continue trt forever? If so then you can use 1ml a week of test cyp and within 4 weeks yu will be a walking boner. I would suggest you take your hcg during the test cycle of about 500 iu every 5th day to keep your nads full and low. If you plan to get off trt then you will need to take the hcg for a long time in order to trick the boys in to working for you ...prob something like 8 months at 250 iu EOD. Make sure you get your blood work done and don't over do it and make sure you get real hcg from your local pharmacy and your boys should fill up within a week. You will no your good if you don't have sex or play with your unit within a week because you will have a wet dream.SORRY TO BE SO GROSS BUT IT IS TRUE once the boys get full they will work for you even if you don't try. good luck