HELP!! Torn Pec at Worst Time

[ronnievanzant]

Hey fellas,
So, I'm a football player and the season starts in 3 weeks. I tore my pec bench pressing today. I get an MRI next week. It's not torn all the way through as I can still flex the muscle very weakly. There is a noticable defect in the muscle. I was just about to wrap up a fairly low-dose cycle of 350mg prop/wk, 60mg var, 50mg winny cycle. I need to come off AAS for drug testing purposes. I have some IGF and GH. Will shooting either of these compounds directly into the muscle speed recovery, or should I stick with Sub-Q? Any help with some evidence to back it up will be appreciated. Thanks!

[greyowl]

Originally Posted by ronnievanzant

Hey fellas,
So, I'm a football player and the season starts in 3 weeks. I tore my pec bench pressing today. I get an MRI next week. It's not torn all the way through as I can still flex the muscle very weakly. There is a noticable defect in the muscle. I was just about to wrap up a fairly low-dose cycle of 350mg prop/wk, 60mg var, 50mg winny cycle. I need to come off AAS for drug testing purposes. I have some IGF and GH. Will shooting either of these compounds directly into the muscle speed recovery, or should I stick with Sub-Q? Any help with some evidence to back it up will be appreciated. Thanks!

Neither of them will speed recovery by being injected directly into the injury.

[swelty]

i wouldnt think it would help either. im getting close to the 500lb mark on bench press and been trying to be carefull because of that reason. i here alot of people tearing the muscle around there. good luck on recorery

[Big_paul]

sorry to here that bro. if its a minor tear then don't do and chest or shoulder work at all . better to leave any upper body work out that could aggrivate it any more. do lower body leg press and extensions and leg curls for the hams. you can also do your calf raises on the leg press. It might heal up if its not too bad. If it is though your warming the bench. good luck with the mri. keep juicing though. I swear by it to speed up recovery. test and deca. I've had many injuries and it seems to work for me.

[PreMier]

Originally Posted by ronnievanzant

Hey fellas,
So, I'm a football player and the season starts in 3 weeks. I tore my pec bench pressing today. I get an MRI next week. It's not torn all the way through as I can still flex the muscle very weakly. There is a noticable defect in the muscle. I was just about to wrap up a fairly low-dose cycle of 350mg prop/wk, 60mg var, 50mg winny cycle. I need to come off AAS for drug testing purposes. I have some IGF and GH. Will shooting either of these compounds directly into the muscle speed recovery, or should I stick with Sub-Q? Any help with some evidence to back it up will be appreciated. Thanks!

You are done. Stop all lifting and do what your doctor says. Depending on the tear you will need to take 4-12 weeks off all pushing movements......I would run some test prop or suspension to speed the healing.

[Deacon]

I agree you are done for now - I also agree follow the doc's advice - but I would not and I repeat would not even think about taking anything to "speed" up recovery because it wont happen - with a trear you are simply fucked until it either heals or gets surgically repaired - adding steroids could actually hurt you right now

[ronnievanzant]

Thanks for the input guys. I realize I'm done lifting upper body for a while. I just need this thing to heal as quickly as possible so I can get back on the field.

Deacon, why do you think that AAS could hurt? What about HGH and IGF?

Thanks,
RVZ

[pcgizzmo]

Originally Posted by ronnievanzant

Thanks for the input guys. I realize I'm done lifting upper body for a while. I just need this thing to heal as quickly as possible so I can get back on the field.

Deacon, why do you think that AAS could hurt? What about HGH and IGF?

Thanks,
RVZ

Depending on how bad the tear is HGH/IGF-1 may make it heal faster but also possibly cause more scar tissue. Scar tissue is not good when you want to surgically repair a muscle tear. Also if it is a bad tear which it sounds like it is (you see visible signs) then you can throw GH and IGF-1 at it all day long and it will not fix it. Some things only surgery can fix. Especially if you want to lift again. You might get away w/leaving it if you want to be "A mere mortal" and never lift again but I suspect this is not the case. Be patient. The Dr's will fix it and you will be back in no time.



Paul

[Deacon]

show me one fact or study that shows AAS or HGH will help speed recovery from a muscle tear and I will agree to use it - but from what I read it wont so why use it?

[pcgizzmo]

Not sure if you were reffering to my post or not but here are a few things in regards to tissue regeneration. Notice I said "May". I do think there is evidence that they can help. You know that GH causes tissue regeneration probably because of IGF-1. At any rate here are the things I found that support it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=4795

Do a search for Anabolic Steroids on this page about muscle tears and you will see where they say the "May" improve healing.

http://www.emedicine.com/sports/topic109.htm

This is a definitive report where Nandralone Deconate was used to speed rotator cuff tears.

http://research.unc.edu/endeavors/fall2004/tendon.html

It only makes sense to me. The building of muscle is due to microscopic tears and the regeneration of those tears make the muscle larger and stronger. AAS increases protein synthesis which speeds muscle recovery. It should also do the same for small tendon/muscle tears in ones body as long as they are not so large that it is physically impossible for the muscle/tendon to recover on its own w/out surgery.

Paul