Help with D-Bol

[Reinheart]

Hey, someone i know has 100 dianabol tabs of 5mgs power and he is wondering how he should use it as a standalone. He can't afford anything else at this time (unemployed) besides some extra nolva which is extremely cheap here nor he wants to pin . I told him a good idea would be 20mgs d-bol ed for 5 weeks and then 40mgs nolva the last of the cycle followed by 2-3 weeks at 20mgs pct. Any other suggestions? He wants to be in the best gains/less sides ratio.

Thanks in advance!

[375Ranger]

I have a couple Bro's who have ran between 25mg-40mg ED and had very good gains. At 40mg ED he put on 25 pounds and kept most after PCT. This was with Dbol ONLY! Both guys were beginner to intermediate lifters with not more than 2-3 cycles under their belt. Hope this helps a bit

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by 375Ranger

I have a couple Bro's who have ran between 25mg-40mg ED and had very good gains. At 40mg ED he put on 25 pounds and kept most after PCT. This was with Dbol ONLY! Both guys were beginner to intermediate lifters with not more than 2-3 cycles under their belt. Hope this helps a bit

Yeap! It did help a lot! Thanks bro. =)

Can he use proviron if he has any problems with libido?

[375Ranger]

Ohh my bad....they ran for 6 weeks and did NOT use any AI's. No Nolv or Letro, they just dealt with the "bloat". But personally...I am running 50mg ED with some Prop and I don't feel too bloated. My nips are a bit tender but I will deal with it to keep the gains.

[Reinheart]

Yeah but i think pct is a must even for a d-bol only cycle. It can still shut your hormonal system down and give you a lot of estrogen. Arnold, Zane etc used it for prolonged periods of time but they usually took 5-10 mgs ed. That's why they got away with no pct.

[375Ranger]

Yeah....PCT is a must....they just didn't take any Nolva/Letro while running the Dbol for the 6 weeks. There was an interesting debate awhile back about including a low dose of Dbol with PCT.

[Reinheart]

Here's some good info:

Russian athletes in the 1953 World Championships as well as the Olympic games then used testosterone with great success. After that, John Zeigler, who was a doctor working with the US Weightlifting Team, began a cooperative project with Ciba to develop an equalizer for US atheletes. Flash forward to 1956 and enter Dianabol ; the original trade name for Ciba´s Methandrostenolone... but called "Dbol" by athletes. The original package insert said that 10mgs/day was enough to provide full androgen replacement for a man and Dr.Zeigler recommended that athletes take 5-10mgs/day. Incidentally, this is also the dose that Bodybuilders were reputed to take from then until roughly the 1970´s. Yeah, this was allegedly Arnold´s dose, Zane´s dose, etc... simply stacked with some testosterone. (For any trivia buffs out there, Dan Duchaine´s mail order steroid business operated under the name "The John Zeigler Fan Club").

I believe that if doses are sensible enough someone can make great and keepable gains on just d-bol. When someone does like 40-50mgs ed it's quite normal to expect heavy fluid retention thus losing most of it come the end of the cycle.

If someone keeps it low enough (20-25mgs ed) he's not going to have trouble i guess.
Actually i know a couple guys that have made tremendous gains on d-bol only cycles without experiencing too many sides. The only problem with it is that it converts to more potent form of estradiol thus the heavy fluid retention on high dosages. Anadrol is "safer" when it comes to this point but it's way more toxic. So if i was about doing a d-bol only cycle i would either keep the dosage low or add proviron.

[Bosnian_Brawler]

Friend of my run 8 weeks dbol cycle only....he started 10, 20, 30, 40 , 40, 30, 20, 10 mg ED....He did not run any pct...That was about 7 years ago and he was 21....He gained about 30 lbs and kept about 25 lbs....Don't ask me how, but I am pretty sure that he didn't take anything else, because I hooked him up with that gear....I just hope that his liver is still ok...

[Stormbringer]

I had very good results with a Dbol only cycle years back. 20mg in the AM with Breakfast and 20mg with meal 2 hours before the gym in the evening. Almost no sides and had no noticeable loss in gains, a little on the strength side after a week off. Did this 8 weeks with LIV 52 and Cranberry juice. No probs and Liver checked out the same way as two weeks prior to starting the cycle. Only PCT was 20mg Nolva for several weeks afterwards and never noticed anything. BTW, I heard it reported that Arnold and Franco used to eat D bol like Tic Tacs when they trained for years at a time. I doubt they were on 10 mg a day! That wouldn't constitute him having his own Dialysis machine at his home now would it?

[Reinheart]

I thought so. Because Arnold probably overdid it. Zane nowadays looks better than most of us and he is 64. So does Larry Scott, Reg Park and Serge Numbret which are also old and the list goes on.