Help With First Cycle

[2BIG]

This is going to be my first cycle and i wanted to keep it simple.

Test Prop wk 1-8 400mg a week
Nolva 20mg a day wk 1-12
Clomid Start 3 days after last shot for 3 weeks

Will this cycle be hard on htpa and what sides would occur with that much a week. Because all read is how test has so many bad sides, but is that at higher doses and longer usage or is that always. Also if i run the test eod at 100mg if i start first week on monday then the second week will only be 300mg bc u start on tues. Or do u do mon-wed-fri-sun and then same thing next week. DO i take the shot at once or split it up through the day. I know that this is alot but i have done so much research and i just cant get a straight answer so ANY help would be awesome. How much gear would i need for this cycle.

[Beefy]

With prop you go every other day. Don't worry about what day of the week it is. Why prop for the first cycle? I'd go with enanthate or cyp, which is only two pokes a week.

Milligram for milligram, there's not a significant difference between the test esters other than injection frequency.

As for sides and results, how big are you (height, weight, bodyfat %)?

At 6'1, 230, 15% bodyfat I ran test e for 8 weeks at 400mg/wk as my first cycle. I gained muscle, lost fat, and had great workouts. Insane pumps. Not much in the way of acne or hairloss or aggression. I recovered fine with nolva and clomid.

[2BIG]

Hey Beefy thanx alot for your reply. Well i chose prop b/c its gives more steady blood levels and less water retention than other test. Also chose because its a shorter ester so its out of my sytem 3 days after last shot and then i could start my pct. Im 6 feet 210 pounds dont know my bf but im more muscle than fat but not ripped. Is the cycle i planned out good even with the nolva and clomid. If so how much gear would i need for this cycle. Thanx for your reply

[*Hawk]

Don't worry about getting 400mgs one week and 300mgs the next. In fact, don't even look at it that way.


Run the prop. (as you already know) at 100mgs EOD for 8 weeks.

You don't need to split the dosages up either. Take it all at once.

If your prop. is 100mgs/ml..... Then your gonna need 28mls.

Running the Nolva at 20mgs ED throughout your cycle is plenty. (to help prevent gyno)

Your clomid PCT should look like this: 300mgs for the first day, and 50mgs ED until you testis come back to normal size.

[Beefy]

I don't know that prop has less water bloat than longer estered tests...Why would it?

It's not the type of oil used in the test that causes water bloat, it's the increased estrogen caused by the increased test. 1/4 mg of adex per day throughout will negate the water bloat and prevent gyno.

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by Beefy

I don't know that prop has less water bloat than longer estered tests...Why would it?

It's not the type of oil used in the test that causes water bloat, it's the increased estrogen caused by the increased test. 1/4 mg of adex per day throughout will negate the water bloat and prevent gyno.

some people claim that fact - but IMO prop doesnt bloat you less than a long ester - it is a myth

[bg65]

the reason that people THINK that prop gives less water retention is that the total weekly dose is usually less than that with the longer acting esters. How could prop give less water retention than a comparable amount of enanthate? Testosterone is still the active compound and can get converted to estrogen in either ester. You might want to get some sterile oil to cut it with, like .5ml of sterile oil with 1ml of prop. Also, I found it helpful to do the inject early in the day before workout and stuff so that the prop can get kind of worked into the muscle. Unless you already have the prop, I would strongly recommend enanthate for a first cycle.

[2BIG]

Hey guys thanx for all the replies. So would a 10 week cycle of test enth be better. IF i run the nolva throughtout and clomid post will my htpa be ok. But people say that with the longer ester if you get the sides then the test will be in your system alot longer making it harder to fight it. How would the cycle look like and how much would i need and size needle to use.

[solo47]

Originally Posted by 2BIG

Hey guys thanx for all the replies. So would a 10 week cycle of test enth be better. IF i run the nolva throughtout and clomid post will my htpa be ok. But people say that with the longer ester if you get the sides then the test will be in your system alot longer making it harder to fight it. How would the cycle look like and how much would i need and size needle to use.

You're lucky you got so much help when the info is already out there. Must be the luck of the draw.

Phreezer's First Cycle

Solo

[DaneGer]

yea i would run test E for first cycle or you could mix the prop and E