How does this cutting cycle sound to you?

[averageJoe]

hey guys I've posted before asking for feedback on a cutting cycle but I've changed somethings again so here we go:

weeks 1-8

1. anavar 20mg ED
2. winstrol (inj) 50mg EOD ( i don't think I can handle ED injections with winny)
3. clen 60mcg ED (starting low and working up to 60mg + benadryl to clear up beta 2 antagonists so that I won't have to stop)
4. primobolan depot , 200mg/week

end of week 8 - PCT

as u can see I kept the strong androgens like tren and test prop out

Anyone here that has tried a similar cycle? I would love to hear some feedback guys so I can refine it again if there's the need to..

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by averageJoe

hey guys I've posted before asking for feedback on a cutting cycle but I've changed somethings again so here we go:

weeks 1-8

1. anavar 20mg ED
2. winstrol (inj) 50mg EOD ( i don't think I can handle ED injections with winny)
3. clen 60mcg ED (starting low and working up to 60mg + benadryl to clear up beta 2 antagonists so that I won't have to stop)
4. primobolan depot , 200mg/week

end of week 8 - PCT

as u can see I kept the strong androgens like tren and test prop out

Anyone here that has tried a similar cycle? I would love to hear some feedback guys so I can refine it again if there's the need to..

Well what an original cycle LOL> I would, up the primo, up the var, winny is fine. What are your goals, I know cutting but are you trying to maintain, cuz' it's way to complicated and expensive to maintain. Let me know???

[iluvdeadlifts]

Originally Posted by averageJoe

hey guys I've posted before asking for feedback on a cutting cycle but I've changed somethings again so here we go:

weeks 1-8

1. anavar 20mg ED
2. winstrol (inj) 50mg EOD ( i don't think I can handle ED injections with winny)
3. clen 60mcg ED (starting low and working up to 60mg + benadryl to clear up beta 2 antagonists so that I won't have to stop)
4. primobolan depot , 200mg/week

end of week 8 - PCT

as u can see I kept the strong androgens like tren and test prop out

Anyone here that has tried a similar cycle? I would love to hear some feedback guys so I can refine it again if there's the need to..

Is there any reason you're keeping test prop out?

I'd consider upping winny to 100mg if doing EOD. Instead of taking clen straight for 8 weeks, try it for 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Take an ECA stack on your 4 weeks off, then you'll be able to take clen again during PCT to help maintain while you're off (20-40mcg ED). Take the Benadryl at the end of the second week of clen for 7 days.

Clen will lower your endogenous T3 levels also so maybe consider adding in some T3 especially if you intend on running it for 8 weeks!

[averageJoe]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

Well what an original cycle LOL> I would, up the primo, up the var, winny is fine. What are your goals, I know cutting but are you trying to maintain, cuz' it's way to complicated and expensive to maintain. Let me know???

Thanks for the answer jsupstarz. I'm about 210lbs aiming to go down to 185-190 while maintaining as much muscle as possible.
When u say up the var by how much ? I can't afford to up the var to be honest but I could up the primo a bit.

[averageJoe]

Originally Posted by iluvdeadlifts

Is there any reason you're keeping test prop out?

Again thanks for the answer...

I just finished a 12 week cycle with deca and test and since I'm only having a 5 week break I'd rather do a cutting cycle without very strong androgens

Originally Posted by iluvdeadlifts

I'd consider upping winny to 100mg if doing EOD.

Isn't that a bit too much for first time? I'm aiming at losing about 20lbs

Originally Posted by iluvdeadlifts

Instead of taking clen straight for 8 weeks, try it for 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Take an ECA stack on your 4 weeks off, then you'll be able to take clen again during PCT to help maintain while you're off (20-40mcg ED). Take the Benadryl at the end of the second week of clen for 7 days.

The whole point of taking benadryl is to clear the beta 2 receptors so that I won't have to stop clen.

Ephedrine is also a beta 2 andregenic agonist (like clen) so taking it when off the clen would not be such a good idea since the beta 2 receptors would not clear during the 4 weeks off in order to be able to use clen effectively later.

As far as using clen during PCT is concerned, I've asked that question before and as mentioned here: http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/525429-post6.html there haven't been any studies in humans to actually confirm that there is an anti-catabolic effect in humans with a normal dosage of 60-120mcg

Originally Posted by iluvdeadlifts

Clen will lower your endogenous T3 levels also so maybe consider adding in some T3 especially if you intend on running it for 8 weeks!

Hmm, I've never heard of that before to be honest. I'll look more in to it.

[iluvdeadlifts]

"Isn't that a bit too much for first time? I'm aiming at losing about 20lbs" - From most of the articles I've read that seems to be a modest amount

"The whole point of taking benadryl is to clear the beta 2 receptors so that I won't have to stop clen." - True it will clear ur receptors but I just think that 8 weeks is a very long time, not sure if anyone else has any opinions on this......

Ephedrine is also a beta 2 andregenic agonist (like clen) so taking it when off the clen would not be such a good idea since the beta 2 receptors would not clear during the 4 weeks off in order to be able to use clen effectively later. - Ephedrine is a B2 antagonist, but it won't downregulate ur receptors anywhere near as much as clen (due to the half life) does so your receptors will clear up on the 4 weeks off. Plus I always find that an ECA stack curbs my appetite more then clen does. Different things work for different people, keep us posted on how it goes anyway!

[dennis]

Up the var to 40 mgs ed..expensive or not ..do it.
do your winstrol 50 mgs ed..get used to the injections..it's a tiny needle.

[averageJoe]

Originally Posted by dennis

Up the var to 40 mgs ed..expensive or not ..do it.

Does that mean u're gonna give me the money to do it? lol!

Originally Posted by dennis

do your winstrol 50 mgs ed..get used to the injections..it's a tiny needle.

when u say tiny? it's still 22g-23g, 1.5" since it's IM right?

[jsupstarz]

Good luck, that will be hard to lose 20lbs.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by averageJoe

Does that mean u're gonna give me the money to do it? lol!
No avaerage joe it does not mean i am going to give you the $ ! It means if you are going to cycle then do it right !


when u say tiny? it's still 22g-23g, 1.5" since it's IM right?

22-23 is tiny to me bro..I have used 18's before..If your stano is refined properly you can use a 1" 25 gauge and inject into thigh.ed injections are no big deal if you are serious about growing/cutting.With stano it make a huge difference between injecting ed and eod..atleast it did for me.I am not making this up..I have used this drug several times.

[averageJoe]

Originally Posted by dennis

22-23 is tiny to me bro..I have used 18's before..If your stano is refined properly you can use a 1" 25 gauge and inject into thigh.ed injections are no big deal if you are serious about growing/cutting.With stano it make a huge difference between injecting ed and eod..atleast it did for me.I am not making this up..I have used this drug several times.

I'll start with ED injections and will see how its goes. I *am* serious about cutting bro!
It's my fist time I think i've got the right to be a bit scared
next to the glutes and the dorsoglutes what's the spot the hurts the least? Shoulders/Lats or quads?

Oh and about the anavars, 40mg/day is too much for my pocket now, how about 30mg/day?
Is it worth the difference?

[dennis]

Originally Posted by averageJoe

I'll start with ED injections and will see how its goes. I *am* serious about cutting bro!
It's my fist time I think i've got the right to be a bit scared
next to the glutes and the dorsoglutes what's the spot the hurts the least? Shoulders/Lats or quads?

Oh and about the anavars, 40mg/day is too much for my pocket now, how about 30mg/day?
Is it worth the difference?

quads are simple and almost painless when the site is broken in.
30 mgs is better than 20 mgs on the var..20 would be a waste of $.
By the way how much are your anavars costing ????

[iluvdeadlifts]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

Good luck, that will be hard to lose 20lbs.

I agree!! 8 weeks to lose 20lbs???! Whats ur diet/cardio going to be like? It's hard enough to lose 2lbs (of fat) a week, any more than that and you're probably going to lose muscle as well IMO

[dennis]

I would gain weight on stano and primo plus var, not lose weight ! You should do your clen or eca stack first off and on for a few months dropping the weight then do your stano/primo/var..just a thought.

[averageJoe]

Originally Posted by dennis

I would gain weight on stano and primo plus var, not lose weight ! You should do your clen or eca stack first off and on for a few months dropping the weight then do your stano/primo/var..just a thought.

I'm doing a month with hydroxycut from muscletech before the cutting cycle