How long of a kickstart do I need for 600mg EQ?

[slimguy]

Im not trying to get huge just slowly gain some quality tissue and get a little leaner. I cant make any dramatic changes at this point as it may gather some unwanted attention. This is the reason for the low dose EQ. I was planning on doing 75mg NPP EOD and 30mg a day of Dbol for 3 weeks then just 600mg of EQ for a while with IGF. Im preparing a monster for winter time that should have me at lean 250. Test prop200mg EOD and 40mg a day of Dbol to start then 1000mg test E, 40mg of dbol, EQ at 600mg. Im going to alternate in some anavar or T-bol for the Dbol around week 5. I'll also be running insulin, IGF, and MGF
Stats just before starting
5'8
210lbs
8.6% BF
Been off for about 3 months.

[jsupstarz]

I'm not sure if you'll make to 250 by winter time LOL. But still don't really understand your question, - how long are you running the EQ cycle?

[dennis]

Originally Posted by slimguy

Im not trying to get huge just slowly gain some quality tissue and get a little leaner. I cant make any dramatic changes at this point as it may gather some unwanted attention. This is the reason for the low dose EQ. I was planning on doing 75mg NPP EOD and 30mg a day of Dbol for 3 weeks then just 600mg of EQ for a while with IGF. Im preparing a monster for winter time that should have me at lean 250. Test prop200mg EOD and 40mg a day of Dbol to start then 1000mg test E, 40mg of dbol, EQ at 600mg. Im going to alternate in some anavar or T-bol for the Dbol around week 5. I'll also be running insulin, IGF, and MGF
Stats just before starting
5'8
210lbs
8.6% BF
Been off for about 3 months.

"unwanted attention"???? Dbol ???? Why use dbol if you do not want to draw attention to yourself ??

[HDH]

Originally Posted by slimguy

Im not trying to get huge just slowly gain some quality tissue and get a little leaner. I cant make any dramatic changes at this point as it may gather some unwanted attention. This is the reason for the low dose EQ. I was planning on doing 75mg NPP EOD and 30mg a day of Dbol for 3 weeks then just 600mg of EQ for a while with IGF. Im preparing a monster for winter time that should have me at lean 250. Test prop200mg EOD and 40mg a day of Dbol to start then 1000mg test E, 40mg of dbol, EQ at 600mg. Im going to alternate in some anavar or T-bol for the Dbol around week 5. I'll also be running insulin, IGF, and MGF
Stats just before starting
5'8
210lbs
8.6% BF
Been off for about 3 months.

You don't really need D-bol if you are running NPP. If you are going to run NPP just run some prop with it at 100mg EOD and drop the EQ. That should satisfy your unwanted attention goals.

HDH

[slimguy]

Originally Posted by dennis

"unwanted attention"???? Dbol ???? Why use dbol if you do not want to draw attention to yourself ??

Ive gotten pretty thin IMO and I want to get started with my cycle quickly so Im not wasting time waiting for the EQ to kick in. I have letro which should take care of the bloat if it gets bad. Dbol works quickly and increases strength quickly.
I would rather do fewer shots and I only have a small amount of NPP hence the use of EQ. Ive got a ton of prop. Should I switch to that to jumpstart? How much? Im doing the EQ to help me retain and gain a little muscle while I go through training for the next 6 months. I should be able to get back to 225 I would hope on relatively low dose. 250 may be a little optomistic though. Im going to start the bulker in Dec 1g of test 600 deca and maybe some anavar.

[HDH]

Dude, your Deca is Phenylpropionate.

HDH

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by HDH

Dude, your Deca is Phenylpropionate.

HDH

I think he knows that that is why he stated he is taking NPP and not Deca. IF it is Phenylpropionate then it isn't deca.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by novicebb

I think he knows that that is why he stated he is taking NPP and not Deca. IF it is Phenylpropionate then it isn't deca.

It's short estered Deca, you know- Nandrolone Phenylpropionate and not Nandrolone Decanoate.

My point being, the kick-start is already there.

So what's your point?

HDH

[jsupstarz]

Yup, theres test phenylprop and nandro.phenylprop! Yeahhhhhhhhh

[slimguy]

Originally Posted by HDH

It's short estered Deca, you know- Nandrolone Phenylpropionate and not Nandrolone Decanoate.

My point being, the kick-start is already there.

So what's your point?

HDH

I know what NPP is. Thats why Im using it as a kickstart. My question was how long should I do a kickstart before I have adequate levels of EQ to stop the NPP. I was thinking 75mg eod for a total of 12-15 shots???I plan on using Dbold for maybe 4 weeks. Im not expecting big gains from this, but I would like to maintain 8-10 pounds when I switch to IGF MGF insulin etc for a PCT with nolvadex and clomid.
For my winter cycle I will be using long esters test enanthate, nandrolone decoanate, and anavar for a little extra strength. Im looking to gain a good 20+ pounds then.
I dont like the frequent injections of TP or NPP. I would rather use them as just a jumpstart.
Do you think that other compounds would be more effective? Should I use more test or Deca?? HOw much anavar?

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by slimguy

I know what NPP is. Thats why Im using it as a kickstart. My question was how long should I do a kickstart before I have adequate levels of EQ to stop the NPP. I was thinking 75mg eod for a total of 12-15 shots???I plan on using Dbold for maybe 4 weeks. Im not expecting big gains from this, but I would like to maintain 8-10 pounds when I switch to IGF MGF insulin etc for a PCT with nolvadex and clomid.
For my winter cycle I will be using long esters test enanthate, nandrolone decoanate, and anavar for a little extra strength. Im looking to gain a good 20+ pounds then.
I dont like the frequent injections of TP or NPP. I would rather use them as just a jumpstart.
Do you think that other compounds would be more effective? Should I use more test or Deca?? HOw much anavar?

Use more test than deca, and the var go 50mg ED. And the EQ should be fine at 5 weeks or so unless you frontloaded it.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by slimguy

I know what NPP is. Thats why Im using it as a kickstart. My question was how long should I do a kickstart before I have adequate levels of EQ to stop the NPP. I was thinking 75mg eod for a total of 12-15 shots???I plan on using Dbold for maybe 4 weeks. Im not expecting big gains from this, but I would like to maintain 8-10 pounds when I switch to IGF MGF insulin etc for a PCT with nolvadex and clomid.
For my winter cycle I will be using long esters test enanthate, nandrolone decoanate, and anavar for a little extra strength. Im looking to gain a good 20+ pounds then.
I dont like the frequent injections of TP or NPP. I would rather use them as just a jumpstart.
Do you think that other compounds would be more effective? Should I use more test or Deca?? HOw much anavar?

Why do you need D-bol and NPP as a kick-start for such a mild cycle?

HDH

[slimguy]

Originally Posted by HDH

Why do you need D-bol and NPP as a kick-start for such a mild cycle?

HDH

I just wanted to start making some progress during the first 4 weeks which in my experience is about the period of time before I notice ANYTHING from EQ. To be totally honest I may add something else in later, but I'll wait and decide that at a later point.
So 50mg of Anavar a day?? That sounds like alot... How long can I take it? Im planning on doing the test E, Deca for at least 15 weeks. Id like to use the anavar that long if its reasonable.
Thank you for all the responses

[slimguy]

Just thought Id mention..... Im really enjoying the Dbol so far! It took about 2 weeks of CEE and IGF to gain 1.5 pounds. Same exact diet and Im up 7 pounds in 4 days Its obviously alot of bloating, but it hasnt really spilled into my face yet and I noticed a nice jump in strength already! It may not be the best drug for retainable gains, but damn is it an instant gratification drug!!

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by slimguy

Just thought Id mention..... Im really enjoying the Dbol so far! It took about 2 weeks of CEE and IGF to gain 1.5 pounds. Same exact diet and Im up 7 pounds in 4 days Its obviously alot of bloating, but it hasnt really spilled into my face yet and I noticed a nice jump in strength already! It may not be the best drug for retainable gains, but damn is it an instant gratification drug!!

Well let me tell you something about that, a lot of times YOU can't notice it like other people can, because you are looking at yourself all the time. It's probably about 90% water. But that's ok, theres always a mad rush of retention in the first 2 weeks then it levels off.