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How necessary is HCG with a 12 week cycle of 400mgTESTenan/300mgEQ. Is clomid for 100mg/day/1 week followed by 50mg/day/1 week enough? Or do I need HCG? Will extra weeks on clomid compensate for not using HCG? Need some bros with experience as I don't want to feel swollen glands in my throat and realize that they're my receeded raisenet-like testicles.
Normal protocal for clomid is: 300mg day 1, days 2 - 14...100mg, days 15 - 21...50 mg. I tend to stay on longer though, but that's just me. Before anyone asks, I'll usually be on clomid at least a month, but this depends on cycle dosages and length.
HCG...I always use it when on deca, or heavy cycles. Some can recover fairly quick without use though or when on light cycles like the one your doing. You'll probably get a wide array of responses on the hcg topic, because everyone is a little different, and everyone may recover differently. With that said, when I use hcg, I use it DURING the cycle. Srarting about the third week in, and only use it on Saturdays and Sundays (weekends). This helps me recover quicker at the end of my cycle. It;s much better than letting your system completely shut down, and then trying to play catch up by using only at the end of a cycle.
Note: hcg will hinder recovery also, one reason I do not use it after my cycle.
i would say very important man you need the fast acting shock to your system to get your test werkin again clomid is not fast enough you need them together do ur self a favor bro and use the hcg
It Is Very Nessesary, It Is The Only Thing That Works Instantly. Take 2500 Iu Day One. 1500ius Day 5, 1500 Ius Day 10 And 1500 Ius Day 14.
And Use The Clomid Also At Normal Dosages.
It Is Very Nessesary, It Is The Only Thing That Works Instantly. Take 2500 Iu Day One. 1500ius Day 5, 1500 Ius Day 10 And 1500 Ius Day 14.
And Use The Clomid Also At Normal Dosages.
ok i know im probably gonna start an hcg war here but i have to get this off my chest. hcg should NOT be used post cycle. simply because it does not restore hpta function. here is an exert from a bil roberts article:
"HCG is provided as a glycoprotein powder to be diluted with water, and acts in the body like LH, stimulating the testes to produce testosterone even when natural LH is not present or is deficient. It therefore is useful for maintaining testosterone production and/or testicle size during a steroid cycle. Use of this drug in the taper is rather counterproductive, since the resulting increased testosterone production is itself inhibitory to the hypothalamus and pituitary, delaying recovery. Thus, if this drug is used, it is preferably used during the cycle itself. A daily amount of 500 IU is generally sufficient, and in my opinion usage should not exceed 1000 IU per day."
this doesnt even get into the permanent desensitazition issue associated with high dose prolonged use of the drug. if you use hcg post cycle it is no different than continuing your actual cycle. you will still be shut down due to the artificial lh.
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...hcg should NOT be used post cycle. simply because it does not restore hpta function. here is an exert from a bil roberts article:
"HCG is provided as a glycoprotein powder to be diluted with water, and acts in the body like LH, stimulating the testes to produce testosterone even when natural LH is not present or is deficient. It therefore is useful for maintaining testosterone production and/or testicle size during a steroid cycle. Use of this drug in the taper is rather counterproductive, since the resulting increased testosterone production is itself inhibitory to the hypothalamus and pituitary, delaying recovery. Thus, if this drug is used, it is preferably used during the cycle itself. A daily amount of 500 IU is generally sufficient, and in my opinion usage should not exceed 1000 IU per day."
this doesnt even get into the permanent desensitazition issue associated with high dose prolonged use of the drug. if you use hcg post cycle it is no different than continuing your actual cycle. you will still be shut down due to the artificial lh....
Swale had a write up in the HRT section......He likes people to use 500IU's 2 to 3 times a week to keep the boys runnin..........that way when you use the clomid you don't miss a beat. Btw I ran his protcol and it worked great! Going to use it all the time now.
ok i know im probably gonna start an hcg war here but i have to get this off my chest. hcg should NOT be used post cycle. simply because it does not restore hpta function. here is an exert from a bil roberts article:
"HCG is provided as a glycoprotein powder to be diluted with water, and acts in the body like LH, stimulating the testes to produce testosterone even when natural LH is not present or is deficient. It therefore is useful for maintaining testosterone production and/or testicle size during a steroid cycle. Use of this drug in the taper is rather counterproductive, since the resulting increased testosterone production is itself inhibitory to the hypothalamus and pituitary, delaying recovery. Thus, if this drug is used, it is preferably used during the cycle itself. A daily amount of 500 IU is generally sufficient, and in my opinion usage should not exceed 1000 IU per day."
this doesnt even get into the permanent desensitazition issue associated with high dose prolonged use of the drug. if you use hcg post cycle it is no different than continuing your actual cycle. you will still be shut down due to the artificial lh.
Ditto. During cycle only. Never should you be using clomid with HCG. Not only does HCG not restore HPTA function....it hinders/inhibits it. You need something to start at the top of the cascade of events in the HPTA. HCG is a LH mimic (LH is further down in the HPTA) and will signal back up to the top of the HPTA cascade that "everything is cool down here...no need to pump out any gonadotropin". Clomid stimulates release of gonadotropin.
How necessary is HCG?? 
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