How to not fuck up DNP

[Sensational]

Originally Posted by gladiatorxman

hey i been reading up on dnp for a while and i am looking in to doing a cycle but i can't find a source. can some pm me with one. thinks

Amazing first post!

[bellerose]

I have a question about that girl who died in London:

Even if the hospital had thorough knowledge on DNP (I'm assuming most doctors haven't had to deal with it), could they have done anything to save her? I know that hypothermia can be induced easily, but wouldn't the fever be too high and out of control? I would think that the difference of temperature in the saline solution (or whatever it is they use to bring someone's body temperature down) needed and the heat being released by her body would be so drastic that it would cause problems in itself.

I have incredibly little medical knowledge, I'm just curious how it works. DNP is very interesting.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by bellerose

Even if the hospital had thorough knowledge on DNP (I'm assuming most doctors haven't had to deal with it), could they have done anything to save her? I know that hypothermia can be induced easily, but wouldn't the fever be too high and out of control? I would think that the difference of temperature in the saline solution (or whatever it is they use to bring someone's body temperature down) needed and the heat being released by her body would be so drastic that it would cause problems in itself.

I have incredibly little medical knowledge, I'm just curious how it works. DNP is very interesting.

A drug called dantrolene has successfully been used to treat DNP overdose. It doesn't prevent DNP from producing heat, but it does allow the body to release heat more quickly by causing muscle relaxation. This lowers body temperature and prevents a harmful fever.

In the case where it was used successfull, the subject's temperature went from 108 to 104 after using "cooling blankets, fans, and tepid water soaks". However, after dantrolene administration, it went from 104 to 100.8 within only 20 minutes. They then kept it under 100.4 by admniistering dantrolene for the next 12 hours. The subject subsequently recovered and was released.

So to answer your question, yes, it's very likely the hospital could have done something to save her. That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who overdoses will recover by taking dantrolene, but that dantrolene appears to be a viable treatment for DNP overdose.

Hope that helps,
Conciliator

[xxjaredxx]

I have read the same thing.
Dantrolene is used as a necessary item in what is called a "crash cart".
IT is used in treating malignant hyperthermia.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

A drug called dantrolene has successfully been used to treat DNP overdose. It doesn't prevent DNP from producing heat, but it does allow the body to release heat more quickly by causing muscle relaxation. This lowers body temperature and prevents a harmful fever.

In the case where it was used successfull, the subject's temperature went from 108 to 104 after using "cooling blankets, fans, and tepid water soaks". However, after dantrolene administration, it went from 104 to 100.8 within only 20 minutes. They then kept it under 100.4 by admniistering dantrolene for the next 12 hours. The subject subsequently recovered and was released.

So to answer your question, yes, it's very likely the hospital could have done something to save her. That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who overdoses will recover by taking dantrolene, but that dantrolene appears to be a viable treatment for DNP overdose.

Hope that helps,
Conciliator

Not dropping 1000mg in a day also helps.

[brewtus]

OK, started my cycle yesterday. 200mg yesterday and today, then I'll bump to 400mg for 8 or 10 days. Taking a Centrum in the morning and 1 cap of SAN Tight with the first daily dose. I'll check back in with status updates.

Diet is mainly meat and vegetables. One question is this: I read earlier in this thread that fructose is a desirable carb during cycle, but is there any added benefit to minimizing other carbs? I know it affects your energy level, but I've had no problems with energy in previous cycles when using energy supplements. Will I burn more fat with no bread/rice/cereal?

Also, a side note: I've observed more women having medical problems as side effects than men. The majority of posts I've read on various forums about people having severe reactions (allergic or otherwise) from DNP have been from women. My girlfriend also had a bad allergic reaction which sent her to the ER; swelling, hives, etc.

Will report back in 2-3 days. Thanks!

[brewtus]

Up to 400mg per day, and feeling the heat. Summertime in Florida. I don't mind it much, though. I'm used to sweating during summer... I'd much rather be hot than cold anyway. Some more questions pondered along the way:

-Is there any correlation between how much you sweat and how much fat you burn, other than the relationship between perspiration and dosage?
-Is there a correlation between water intake and fat loss? Since water is the medium in which all metabolic processes take place, does it follow that I'll burn more fat by drinking more water (since the body pretty much uses everything I take in)?
-Wouldn't weight training cause muscle loss while on DNP? Since weight training breaks down muscle fibers (in order to regenerate with protein synthesis), and since the body doesn't have enough energy to build muscle while on DNP, then wouldn't you just be tearing down muscle? Sure, you'd be burning tons of calories, but there are other ways do accomplish this.
-I've noticed that I'm wide awake when I need to go to sleep; I wonder if it's due to residual effects from the SAN Tight I take around 10am, or if it's possible that DNP promotes mental awareness (I typically feel pretty mentally energetic all day), even though it drains you physically.

OK, enough for now. More later.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by brewtus

One question is this: I read earlier in this thread that fructose is a desirable carb during cycle, but is there any added benefit to minimizing other carbs? I know it affects your energy level, but I've had no problems with energy in previous cycles when using energy supplements. Will I burn more fat with no bread/rice/cereal?

You will burn more fat if you reduce your carb intake (e.g. no bread/rice/cereal). That's because you're consuming fewer calories and creating a greater caloric deficit. Fat has to make up the difference. However, you can only cut calories so far before the contribution from fat is maxed out and you start to lose muscle. I think the best results will come from cutting calories 500-1000 per day (assumng a low to moderate dose of DNP). If you're cutting calories more aggressively (such as 1000 per day), I'd be sure to take something that helps mobilize fat, like EC or clen.

Originally Posted by brewtus

Also, a side note: I've observed more women having medical problems as side effects than men. The majority of posts I've read on various forums about people having severe reactions (allergic or otherwise) from DNP have been from women. My girlfriend also had a bad allergic reaction which sent her to the ER; swelling, hives, etc.

I don't think women have any greater incidence of side effects than men. Some form of rash seems to occur pretty uniformly in about 15% of DNP users, with a small percentage of that manifesting severe rash/hives (like what happened with your GF). The only exception I see might be with cataracts. In the 1930's there were 164 case reports of cataracts, but only 3 of those cases were in men. That might be simply because the drug was used much more by women than by men. Another possible explanation is the link between cataracts and antioxidant deficiency. More women may have developed cataracts due to smaller diets with insufficient antioxidant intake (such as vitamin C). It's also possible that women just develop them more than men, though I'd bet on the former.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

You will burn more fat if you reduce your carb intake (e.g. no bread/rice/cereal). That's because you're consuming fewer calories and creating a greater caloric deficit. Fat has to make up the difference. However, you can only cut calories so far before the contribution from fat is maxed out and you start to lose muscle. I think the best results will come from cutting calories 500-1000 per day (assumng a low to moderate dose of DNP). If you're cutting calories more aggressively (such as 1000 per day), I'd be sure to take something that helps mobilize fat, like EC or clen.
I don't think women have any greater incidence of side effects than men. Some form of rash seems to occur pretty uniformly in about 15% of DNP users, with a small percentage of that manifesting severe rash/hives (like what happened with your GF). The only exception I see might be with cataracts. In the 1930's there were 164 case reports of cataracts, but only 3 of those cases were in men. That might be simply because the drug was used much more by women than by men. Another possible explanation is the link between cataracts and antioxidant deficiency. More women may have developed cataracts due to smaller diets with insufficient antioxidant intake (such as vitamin C). It's also possible that women just develop them more than men, though I'd bet on the former.

I'm quoting just so you know I'm talking to you.. 750mg Test E, 300mg Tren A..weekly, along with 400mg of DNP daily.. Whew! This shits melting off by the fucking hour.. I'm about as hot as I feel on 600mg ED..

[cyanize]

Well I'm about to start a DNP cycle in September, 3-4 weeks on relatively low dosages. So I'd appreciate any comments.

I'm going to start @ 200mg in the mornings for 5 days, and if I feel comfortable increase to 300mg on days 6-21. I did take a look at the regimen.xls file and checked the overall concentrations in my body (I want to keep peak concentrations under 700mg all the time), and therefore I'm going to split the 300mg into 200 in the mornings and 100 in the afternoons. What I always wanted to know, why doesn't every "DNP cycle" thread here include the regimen spreadsheet....I think it helps a lot with controlling progress and avoiding a huge (and possibly dangerous) buildup. What's a safe peak concentration anyway @Conciliator?

Goal is to drop from 16-17%bf to 8-9% (about 15lbs of fat in my case), either in one cycle on or in two.

I'm also doing an E/C stack with a daily dose of 50/400 split into 2-4 smaller ones. Diet will be down from my maintenance of 2700kCal to 1900-2200 (depending on, if I'm working out or not), with probably a 40/40/20 split. I'll try to keep my 3 days in the gym (mostly compounds) and maybe add some cardio. (I rather further reduce calories, than do cardio to be honest)

Supps and antioxidants will remain the same as usual, (I take a bunch that acts anti-inflammatory anyway, due to my multiple sclerosis). I'm considering adding some glycerine to the mix.

It's my first post....but I've been an avid reader of these boards for quite some time.
Thanks for any advice.

[dickprofin1]

yes, lets hear about how it goes.

[dickprofin1]

sorry, i also want to thank everyone who has made and informative contribution to this amazing thread!!!!!

thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by cyanize

What's a safe peak concentration anyway @Conciliator?

That's going to vary significantly from person to person. Sensitivity to DNP is something that's very individual. Also, for a given person, sensitivity can change during a long cycle as tolerance develops. A moderate dose for most people is somewhere between 200 and 400 mg/day of an accurately dosed product.

[COUGAR BAIT]

What actually happens when someone takes a low carb approach on DNP?

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by COUGAR BAIT

What actually happens when someone takes a low carb approach on DNP?

I think most people will feel better on a higher carb intake. But if you function well on low carbs and are on a low carb diet, there's no reason you can't add DNP to it. See how things go. If you feel low on energy, try upping your carb intake. DNP will increase your metabolic rate whether you eat a lot of carbs or not; they're not necessary for DNP to work. However, you'll probably feel better with them in yout diet. You'll have to experiment and find out what works for you as an individual.

[COUGAR BAIT]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

I think most people will feel better on a higher carb intake. But if you function well on low carbs and are on a low carb diet, there's no reason you can't add DNP to it. See how things go. If you feel low on energy, try upping your carb intake. DNP will increase your metabolic rate whether you eat a lot of carbs or not; they're not necessary for DNP to work. However, you'll probably feel better with them in yout diet. You'll have to experiment and find out what works for you as an individual.

Thanks Do you think by consuming a lower amount of carbs your body would be more prone to burning body fat? Or it wouldnt really make too much of a difference?

[COUGAR BAIT]

Couple more questions, I have the 99% pure crystalline tablets and I took 200mg yesterday, then 300mg today (I usually have a high tolerance to things) what day should I bump it up to 400mg? Or not until day 4/5?

I also notice I dont sweat at all during the day etc, its usually at night if I wake up I'll notice I'm sweaty (not drenched or anything) but yeah thats the only time I'll notice sweating - is that normal? I'd heard of some people sweating 24/7 lol Thanks!

[xxjaredxx]

Originally Posted by COUGAR BAIT

Couple more questions, I have the 99% pure crystalline tablets and I took 200mg yesterday, then 300mg today (I usually have a high tolerance to things) what day should I bump it up to 400mg? Or not until day 4/5?

I also notice I dont sweat at all during the day etc, its usually at night if I wake up I'll notice I'm sweaty (not drenched or anything) but yeah thats the only time I'll notice sweating - is that normal? I'd heard of some people sweating 24/7 lol Thanks!

Crystalline = only 75% powder by volume - just to clarify here. Honestly, it's my opinion (making the assumption this is your first experience), I would keep your dose at 200 mg for about three days. Just because you have a high tolerance to most substances doesn't mean that you will have a high tolerance to Dnp as well. Dnp takes a couple days to reach peak concentrations into your system, so it is only after three/four days of initial use that you should decide to bump up your dose. If you are comfortable on 200 mg after those first days - make small increments. Like Conc. said, Dnp is very individual, and every single one of our bodies are different. The best advice I can give here is to listen to your body. Period.

Hope this helps somewhat, good luck

[brewtus]

Hey all;

I'm in Day 6 of my second cycle. For the first cycle, I took 200mg for the first 2 days, then 400mg for 8 more. Took 14 days off in between. Second cycle, I began directly with 400mg for 10 straight days, as I had no allergic reactions, tolerance in the first cycle was adequate. I felt the heat around Day 3 of this cycle, but now I feel as though I'm sweating less, I generally have more energy than I'd expect, and my bodily fluids don't have the same characteristic "dark yellow" color. I'm wondering if this means that I've built up some tolerance and should increase my dosage, or if it's possible that the DNP is still acting as productively without the same side effects. Any thoughts? Thanks!