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Bruce at AS also suggested the possibility of puncturing the lymphatic system. This network of vessels flows through the body returning interstitial cellular fluid back into blood plasma. It uses skeletal muscles as it's 'pump' with many one way valves to prevent reverse flow. The clear fluid that flows through the system is referred to as lymph -- hence the name.

The fluid flows from the lymph capillaries in the far extremities into the lymph vessels and then the thoracic ducts before returning into the blood vessels. The large vessels, particularly the ducts are in highly protected areas such as adjacent to the spinal column. There is some slight risk of puncturing a lymph vessel in either the thigh or gluteal muscles. If you do inject into a lymphatic vessel, you could experience some swelling at the site. This will not diminish functionality of the steroid as the lymph system is one of the primary methods the body uses for transport of 'fatty acids' and oils.

The best way to determine if you have punctured one is the same for blood vessel puncture. Aspirate. Instead of looking for red blood, you are looking for clear fluid return. In either case, withdraw the needle and attempt to inject at another location. Significant pain is unlikely as the vessel is not under pressure, but better safe then sorry.

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Thanks for your additional responses. The product I am using is from one of our advertisers. After 3 days I'm still hobbling around. If I bend my knee I cannot support any weight. I just buckle. I generally use a 22G 1" for quads but this time decided to try a 25G (bad choice). I have no redness or swelling but feel as if the quad isn't working at all. Do you think there is a chance of permanent damage or should I return to normal over time? Even if I dilute this stuff with oil, I'm hesitant to stick the other leg at the end of the week. I don't have a wheelchair sitting around. The liquid D-Bol from this source also has a smell like chemical glue. I wonder what they cut it with. Thanks again for the responses.
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How come I only get sore sometimes when I inject Glutes and Quads? I ALWAYS get sore for about 4 days when I do delts. Is there a site that is really detailed on injections? I've seen a few but none really get too detailed.
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All I know is Fraggle knows his shit when it comes to this topic. I have tried both adding oil and adding benzyl benzoate to my products with much success. It makes everything smooth and pain free. I think he uses himself as a guinea pig, poor guy. Thanks Fraggle.
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How come I only get sore sometimes when I inject Glutes and Quads? I ALWAYS get sore for about 4 days when I do delts. Is there a site that is really detailed on injections? I've seen a few but none really get too detailed.
Soreness post injection really depends on the muscle group and the substance you used. For the delts, you're going to run into fascia displacement with large injection volumes. I never inject more then 1ml in my delts.

Intermittent soreness in the quads and glutes is a little more tricky. If you provide me with a little more information on when, how and with what you get the soreness I can give you some specific advice, barring that, dilute with oil and add benzyl benzoate, switch to more frequent injections with less volume and inject SLOWLY, really, really, really SLOW.

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All I know is Fraggle knows his shit when it comes to this topic. I have tried both adding oil and adding benzyl benzoate to my products with much success. It makes everything smooth and pain free. I think he uses himself as a guinea pig, poor guy. Thanks Fraggle.
Everything in the information I've provided above has been tested on myself and through feedback received from others. It also matches the pharmaceutical industry protocols for compounding oil based drugs.

My better half gave me her first injection last night in my dorsal gluteal muscle. Don't usually use the dorsal, but I needed an extra two sites as I'm doing 2ml ED for the first week and then EOD for the following 15 weeks, 1ml each of test e and EQ.

Smooth as silk, no immediate pain and very mild soreness only when direct pressure is applied to the site this morning.

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This that help me in the past.
1. Buying real stuff not from back ward kitchen chemistry setts
2. heating the syringe lightly over boiled water to help kill bacteria.or burn off the excessive BA
3. Knowing that 50% of people can be allergic to prop and can have the EQ flu.
4. Never reuse the same needle even for drawing with out wiping it first will alcohol.
5. Always keep area relaxed never shot after traning that body part. Can cause spasms in the muscles.
6. rotating sites, and injecting when needed.
7. Rub area after done if it was a big shot
8. Take no more then 1 cc in shoulder or quad at a time it could ball up cause inflammation.

Fragle no offense if you are dumping all that shit in to your body and you still look like your avatar SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG ...
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relax bros...i made it a stcky........good post
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