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Thanks for all of the great info in this thread. I normally do not go over 1.5 CC in a single injection. If I wanted to do 2 or 3 CC would it be best to split it into 2 different sites? If so, do I need to load 2 syringes or can I just do 2 different sites from the same syringe?
I never said pain was good, I meant that pain will be far less if that is cut with EO oil.
It will thinn it out some and drawing will be easier.
They use EO for prop to cut the pain down, it works well.
Viramone is my fav prop, but it is 100mg per ml, it is the best prop I ever had and the oil is EO.
If I get painful gear, I always cut it with EO and run it all back through a filter works every time.
Is EO an anesthetic? If not, why would it be any better than simply more sterile oil?
I wont be drug into your arguements, I bow out to your superior mind asshole.
I dont like you.
It is not that you are smart, but you are far too challenging, and oppionated, to see anything other than your opinion.
So, consider your resource of some information eliminated.
You can fuck off.
Its your loss asshole.
I think you are an arrogent prick.
Do your own research on EO oil, I did...............
You do more harm than good on the boards..........................blow me...............fag.........
I wont be drug into your arguements, I bow out to your superior mind asshole.
I dont like you.
It is not that you are smart, but you are far too challenging, and oppionated, to see anything other than your opinion.
So, consider your resource of some information eliminated.
You can fuck off.
Its your loss asshole.
I think you are an arrogent prick.
Do your own research on EO oil, I did...............
You do more harm than good on the boards..........................blow me...............fag.........
You won't be drug into my arguments? lol. All I'm asking is why I should believe your statement that EO is less painful for diluting gear than simply adding more oil. I see no reason to believe it's any better, so until I hear a good argument for why it is I'd be a fool to take the word of some random guy on the internet. Unfortunately most people are fools and do exactly that. And then they pass it on, like you're probably doing right now.
You're the asshat for claiming things and then getting all pissy when people like me ask for supporting evidence. If you have evidence, then present it. If you don't, then learn to say to. Don't get mad at the people smart enough to employ evidence based reasoning.
Listen up prick, I wont be drug into arguements with you, I have used EO many times to cut gear with, it works better than any other oil.
Propionate is known for pain, and if you cut prop with EO, far less and almost painless, grapeseed, cotton seed oils I have used and it does not work half as good as EO.
I personally dont care if you believe me or not, you are only here for arguements sake and I dont have the time to bottle feed you.
I have been training for probably longer than you have been alive, your challenging me constantly is insulting as you are still wet behind the ears keyboard warrior.
Now go and fuck off, I have spent more time with you than you deserve.
What I say is easily varifyable and I wont take the time to breast feed you junior.
It is very thin and almost clear at room temperature. It has a low boiling point for an oil and is flammable, so keep away from direct flame heating methods. It can flash over once it has reached it's boiling point.
Usage
Ethyl oleate is a very expensive compound and not readily available to the public. Often sold by the gram but is a lighter than water liquid, 1ml is about .87g of product.
It has a fairly high capacity as a solvent on it's own, 50mg/ml of testosterone propionate is readily dissolved with no alcohol. So as a carrier it has great potential for hard to dissolve compounds or high dose compounds.
The most cost effective use would come with mixing it 1:1 with grape seed oil in your hard to produce home brews. I would not recommend using it with something as simple as 300mg/ml test enanthate, but if you were to make a 400-500mg/ml test blend or single long ester depot it would be a requirement for a pain free shot.
Ethyl oleate also has a reported mild analgesic effect on the site of the depot.
It is a primary ingredient in Viromone Testosterone Propionate.
A simple search on Ethyl oleate is all you need to figure out what is what.
It acts like a solvent making some gear not crash in depot.
Now go back to what you do best and be an asshole....
It is very thin and almost clear at room temperature. It has a low boiling point for an oil and is flammable, so keep away from direct flame heating methods. It can flash over once it has reached it's boiling point.
Usage
Ethyl oleate is a very expensive compound and not readily available to the public. Often sold by the gram but is a lighter than water liquid, 1ml is about .87g of product.
It has a fairly high capacity as a solvent on it's own, 50mg/ml of testosterone propionate is readily dissolved with no alcohol. So as a carrier it has great potential for hard to dissolve compounds or high dose compounds.
The most cost effective use would come with mixing it 1:1 with grape seed oil in your hard to produce home brews. I would not recommend using it with something as simple as 300mg/ml test enanthate, but if you were to make a 400-500mg/ml test blend or single long ester depot it would be a requirement for a pain free shot.
Ethyl oleate also has a reported mild analgesic effect on the site of the depot.
It is a primary ingredient in Viromone Testosterone Propionate.
OK, so you can cut and paste a quote from some bodybuilder who says EO has a "mild analgesic effect on the site of the depot." That's not evidence.
I did a google search, a google book search, and a pubmed search for anything connecting "ethyl oleate" to "anesthetic" or "analgesic." I also did those searches for anything connecting "fatty acid ethyl ester" to "anesthetic" or "analgesic." I found absolutely nothing. There were several references in which EO was used as a vehicle for an anesthetic drug, but nothing at all that said EO has any analgesic properties.
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Originally Posted by hackskii
A simple search on Ethyl oleate is all you need to figure out what is what.
It acts like a solvent making some gear not crash in depot.
I don't think there's any disagreement that EO acts as a solvent. I don't disagree that it can reduce pain by lowering the concentration of steroids or other potentially painful constituants like BA. It's just that more oil acts as a solvent as well.
I asked you "What are the benefits to using EO over inexpensive USP oil?" and you answered "pain." I'm pretty sure you meant to say "less pain." My point is that for cutting gear and reducing pain, there's no good evidence that EO is any better than simple sterile triglyceride oils.
I don't think there's any disagreement that EO acts as a solvent. I don't disagree that it can reduce pain by lowering the concentration of steroids or other potentially painful constituants like BA. It's just that more oil acts as a solvent as well.
EO would work better than other oils for being a solvent, when you draw it into a syrenge, it locks up the plunger, it is like it attacks the rubber.
Viramone is very hard to shoot but you can draw it easy with a 22 guage.
I think one could get away with less BA when using EO.
That in itself would lead to less pain.
Viramone which uses 100% of its carrier oil as EO, it is the only painless prop I have ever had.
Even sust which only has 30mg propionate is hard on me to shoot.
When the prop (not viramone) is cut with EO, it becomes far less painfull.
I personally dont think any other oil offers this.
This is from a guy that is pretty sharp.
Propionate ester or propionaic acid resembles bee venom so can cause some pain.
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