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Old 08-23-2006, 04:52 AM
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If i were 24, 5'11, 225lbs@25%bf, with about 6 months of training experience and my diet on point along with consistent training and I were to go on a cycle of Test...what could be expected?

This guy thinks if he uses Test to grow to his natural size, and possibly beyond and then jumps off the gear with proper PCT he should be able to keep it all and continue "natural". Possible?
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Old 08-23-2006, 10:53 AM
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possible yes, necessary no. If your body fat guess is accurate, then this guy is in nowhere near good enough shape to see any real benefit to steroids. There has already been one thread over a similar question this week, but I'll say it again.... Using steroids at his current fitness level will only be a testament to the lazy ethic that got him into that shape to begin with. Odds are that he'll do this, see some benefit, and then 6 months later, he'll be fatter and lazier than he is right now.
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:33 PM
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possible yes, necessary no. If your body fat guess is accurate, then this guy is in nowhere near good enough shape to see any real benefit to steroids. There has already been one thread over a similar question this week, but I'll say it again.... Using steroids at his current fitness level will only be a testament to the lazy ethic that got him into that shape to begin with. Odds are that he'll do this, see some benefit, and then 6 months later, he'll be fatter and lazier than he is right now.
Couldnt agree more. And chance are if he is 25% bf he has no idea what diet being on point even is.
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:46 PM
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yeah. But the guy can still get back to a healthy range of BF. AAS is not the answer though.

It is Life style that is the answer to his problems.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:50 AM
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Alright, fuck the hypothetical bullshit. The weight has been coming off slowly until I started hitting the gym harder and upping my calories, I'm actually up 10lbs (235) but I fit in everything the same.. I came down from the 250's, when I hit 220 I changed my wardrobe and bought with the intentions of losing more weight. Again, I'm now 235, and everything is the same in fit.

I'm going to go to the doc and see what he tells me, I have some other issues I'm worried about.

My facial hair is weak. I'm a pretty down and out guy, feel lost pretty often. For the last 2 years my erections have been lagging, I also climax way too fast and still feel 'not done' when I'm done. I'm the only person in my family with weight problems, everyone is a heavy eating, heavy drinking, lean mofo...young, old, male and female.. Also I had gyno at around 16 years old, I was 5'10 and around 170? The doc snipped my nips and I've never had boobs again, though I did become a 300lbs fatty.

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Old 08-24-2006, 06:52 AM
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If you ever decide to use exogenous testosterone be sure to use an anti aromatase such as Arimedex - anastrozole.
You may like to try it without the test.
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Alright, fuck the hypothetical bullshit. The weight has been coming off slowly until I started hitting the gym harder and upping my calories, I'm actually up 10lbs (235) but I fit in everything the same.. I came down from the 250's, when I hit 220 I changed my wardrobe and bought with the intentions of losing more weight. Again, I'm now 235, and everything is the same in fit.

I'm going to go to the doc and see what he tells me, I have some other issues I'm worried about.

My facial hair is weak. I'm a pretty down and out guy, feel lost pretty often. For the last 2 years my erections have been lagging, I also climax way too fast and still feel 'not done' when I'm done. I'm the only person in my family with weight problems, everyone is a heavy eating, heavy drinking, lean mofo...young, old, male and female.. Also I had gyno at around 16 years old, I was 5'10 and around 170? The doc snipped my nips and I've never had boobs again, though I did become a 300lbs fatty.

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With your gyno at 16 and your current situation, it really seems that something went wrong with your hormones back then and you've had low T ever since. The first thing I would want to know once the low T has been confirmed with a blood test, is whether you are primary or secondary hypogonadal. If it is primary, then you will probably have to do some sort of HRT. But if it is secondary, then a good PCT style treatment might get you jump started again.

Don't live and die by the scale. It does not tell you anything about body composition. If you've gained 10lbs but everything still fits the same, then that's good! You've put on muscle, and muscle will help you burn fat better.

Get to a doc who is hip on the latest testosterone research. The last thing you need right now is a doc who puts you on viagra and anti depressants!
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Also if only been training for 6 months you can still make alot of improvmets naturally
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Old 08-28-2006, 06:44 AM
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With your gyno at 16 and your current situation, it really seems that something went wrong with your hormones back then and you've had low T ever since. The first thing I would want to know once the low T has been confirmed with a blood test, is whether you are primary or secondary hypogonadal. If it is primary, then you will probably have to do some sort of HRT. But if it is secondary, then a good PCT style treatment might get you jump started again.

Don't live and die by the scale. It does not tell you anything about body composition. If you've gained 10lbs but everything still fits the same, then that's good! You've put on muscle, and muscle will help you burn fat better.

Get to a doc who is hip on the latest testosterone research. The last thing you need right now is a doc who puts you on viagra and anti depressants!
van-man, i'm not sure if it has anything to do with anything else but i have two daughters. If i was hypogonadal would I still be able to make babies? I used to climax in my then girlfriend (now wife) and we never got pregnant, I always thought it was her and my excessive pot consumption (obviously i don't shoot all blanks, i made two little beauties). I'm doing a bit of research and on this stuff now. Not sure where I could find a doctor that is more sensitive to these types of cases, I'm in Miami for the record. My primary doc is still the same guy who did the gyno surgery (it was not done as plastic surgery) but i've been considering changing for a few months now. This conversation though it has given me more questions, its also enlightened me some. Would a testicular hernia at a very young age have affects on all of this? What about drugs for ADHD? Thanks!
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I don't really know what would be a specific cause for any of you current health issues. But, I am certian that your drug abuse has not helped, if it is not the reason all together. If it is drugs, then odds are you are not primary; which means that you should be able to get going again.

Once you've cleaned up your lifestyle, you could try a pct style treatment and see what that does for you. If done right it won't hurt, and it might tell you alot about what you want to know.
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