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Old 08-15-2005, 12:45 PM
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Next month is my 40th Birthday, I am 5'9" 205lbs, 30 lbs overweight, always tired, aches and pains all over, high blood pressure (140/95), headaches, high LDL (240) and Low HDL (41). Other then all that I have excellent Cardiovascular, I ride my road bike 30 miles once or twice a week, go to the gym once or twice a week, Scuba dive once a week, try to eat quality foods, (although I love sweets) and have no alergies. My GP tested my blood last week and found that my Total Testosterone was only 208, He put me on Test Cyp 200ml, one cc per every 3 weeks. I would really like this to change my life and renew my youth, lose fat gain muscle, look and feel great, cure my pains, give me energy, but I am not willing to risk my health or shorten my lifespan. All of the web surfing that I am doing tells me that the dose that he has given me is not going to be enough to do much at all, and will take months to have any results, if any. Any comments would be appreciated.
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Old 08-15-2005, 03:23 PM
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That dose will yield no gains in size it might just replenish your norm level if even that. You need at least 500 mg a week to see anything worth while from what I have learned at least. Take the doses and save them up for a while when you have enough for 2 - 2ml shots per week you will be good to go.... I am really surprised he didnt set you up with the andro patch or even the new andro gel that works far better for what your looking for. Its steady everyday you rub it in very easy to do and your libido will raise a great deal. For some reason the gel works far better then the patch and shots for energy and sex drive you can feel it in like 4 hrs after taking it you have sex on the mind...lol....Maybe you should ask for the gel most doc dont want you self injection and most first timers dont want to either thus why the gel is like $500.00 for a months supply (most insurance covers it) one thing I have learned is every one is different and things act different for everyone but at that dose its hard its very low good luck bro....

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You've posted this in the wrong forum. You should move it to the Mens Health forum, where there is a much more extensive discussion of hormone replacement therapy.

By the way, you doctor doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:35 AM
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He actually did give me enough cyp for 20 injections, he knows I'm Medically trained. I have been learning a ton from this forum, as I have been reading everything that I get from searching Cyp. There are a lot of initials, shortened names and annagrams used but I am beginning to understand a little bit. This is all new for me but I want very much to use this opportunity to change my body comp and gain some lean muscle mass. I am considering injecting once a week 200ml. I should probably find a local Doc that is familiar with Anti-aging and go from there. This is my first week of Cyp, and I haven't noticed much of a change yet except for the Acne which I haven't had for 20 years. Can I take Accutane with Cyp?
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Dude if you eat less than you're eating now, you will lose that fat thats making you unhappy. Eat less but be consistant for 3-6 months. you're doing a lot of activity and you're still a fat-boy...you need to eat less man...less calories it is that simple BUT do you have the will to do it? do you have the desire? or do you just like food too much?
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I really encourage you to visit the Men's Health forum on this site and read all stickies. HRT and TRT is discussed extensively there. Just off the top of my head, your dose is wrong. And NO, 500mg per week is an AAS cycle, NOT HRT. Usually TRT dosing starts at 100mg/week and evaluated from there. In alot of TRT patients find great results with this putting them in the upper 1/3 of normal range. If you haven't already, you should also have checked:

Free Testosterone
TSH
T3
T4
Free T3
DHEA
E2 Estradiol
Progesterone
DHT

Watching these hormones during HRT is also very important. I've found through my experience that after starting HRT you feel a great deal better, however most spend upwards of 1-2 years fine tuning everything to make sure everything is optimal.
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Next month is my 40th Birthday, I am 5'9" 205lbs, 30 lbs overweight, always tired, aches and pains all over, high blood pressure (140/95), headaches, high LDL (240) and Low HDL (41). Other then all that I have excellent Cardiovascular, I ride my road bike 30 miles once or twice a week, go to the gym once or twice a week, Scuba dive once a week, try to eat quality foods, (although I love sweets) and have no alergies. My GP tested my blood last week and found that my Total Testosterone was only 208, He put me on Test Cyp 200ml, one cc per every 3 weeks. I would really like this to change my life and renew my youth, lose fat gain muscle, look and feel great, cure my pains, give me energy, but I am not willing to risk my health or shorten my lifespan. All of the web surfing that I am doing tells me that the dose that he has given me is not going to be enough to do much at all, and will take months to have any results, if any. Any comments would be appreciated.
Your doc has put you on a roller coaster with your hormone levels! Test cyp will say has a half life of 7-8 days so after one week your hormone levels start dopping off and by the 12 day you feel no effect and you are back to having low hormone levels maybe even lower then your natural levels. Your levels need to be stable and the only way to do that is to inject once a week. 100 mg a week will put you in the norm, 200 will put you way in the high norm but will increase your LDL AND DECREASE YOUR HDL or at least you would want to monitor it. Your doc has a bad plan and needs to read the half life of test cyp much closer!
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yeah, this 1cc every 3 weeks isn't gonna do it for you.

You want to inject every week. 1cc every week is a TRT kind of dose. Every 3 weeks is positively stone-age.

Accutane is a big nasty drug. You don't want to go there unless everything else has failed. It is toxic to the liver. Your lips will dry out and crack. Same for your sinuses.

Talk to a dermatologist, or ask your doctor for a prescription for some topical antibiotic liquids or some of the newer gels such as Differin.

Oh, and post to the men's health section and read all the stickies by a Doc named Swale, who seems to know more about this topic than just about anyone else on the planet.
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Thank you all for your help, I have now spent several days on the mens health forum and have really been educated. This forum has been a great tool, and I am now looking for a good anti-aging doc in my area and covered by my HMO.
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