Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on I don't mean to sound ignorant, but ... within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; why is stacking AAS during a cycle so beneficial? I mean is there going to be a really big difference ...
why is stacking AAS during a cycle so beneficial? I mean is there going to be a really big difference between taking 1g sust or 1g sust and 600g deca? Enough to notice? I can see taking dbol or abombs to start a cycle, but as far as taking multiple oils I think its a waste of money. My best cycle to date was simply omnadren and dbol. I've take test with every cycle and I've stacked it with deca, EQ, fina, and winny. The only difference I ever feel is some better pumps when I took the EQ. Does anyone have any medical proof that stacking really works or is it just a bill phillips theory?
Each different compound acts differently. They all bind the same receptors, but once inside the nucleus, they upregulate, to different degrees, different genes. Stacking of AAS allows for one agent to compliment another. You'll often get a synergistic effect (1 + 1= 3). Test alone is the only thing that should be done alone....test as a first cycle allows you to determine how you react to AAS, in general, and it also has a good intermediate effect on its own.
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Originally Posted by neverbigenough
why is stacking AAS during a cycle so beneficial? I mean is there going to be a really big difference between taking 1g sust or 1g sust and 600g deca? Enough to notice? I can see taking dbol or abombs to start a cycle, but as far as taking multiple oils I think its a waste of money. My best cycle to date was simply omnadren and dbol. I've take test with every cycle and I've stacked it with deca, EQ, fina, and winny. The only difference I ever feel is some better pumps when I took the EQ. Does anyone have any medical proof that stacking really works or is it just a bill phillips theory?
I agree with you to some degree, Never. Personally, I think that everyone makes their cycles way too complicated searching for some magic combo that will make them huge.
However, I do think EQ is a great compliment to test. The test has a deleterious effect on tendons and the Eq repairs them. Put together, they will help you train more pain and injury free.
I agree with you to some degree, Never. Personally, I think that everyone makes their cycles way too complicated searching for some magic combo that will make them huge.
However, I do think EQ is a great compliment to test. The test has a deleterious effect on tendons and the Eq repairs them. Put together, they will help you train more pain and injury free.
As far as all out results, I too think that all these complicated stacks that
people take are a little over rated. For instance, you will gain more on a
gram of test than you will on 500 test/500 deca (or eq). But, for me at least,
the side effects will tend to be lower.
Some stacks are indeed synergestic (is that even a word?) though. Bill Roberts
once suggested that 50mg/day of tren, dbol, and winny is more potent than
a gram of test. I tried it and think he is right. But do you really want to be
doing 100mg/day of orals for a 10 week cycle, not to mention ed injections?
I know I dont.
I'd be interested to see any real studies that show EQ has a positive effect on tendons. A lot of this stuff is taken out of context. Many studies will show that compound X has a positive effect on procollogen type III, but a negative efect on procollagen type II (just as an example). Then, people take from that what they want, and it ends up being compound X is good for connective tissue or compound X is bad for connective tissue. Winny, for instance, promotes collagen synthesis, i.e. it's pro-joint. You feel joint pain when you're on it, but that doesn't mean it's "bad for your joints". You'll feel joint pain on GH often too, but GH is excellent at promoting connective tissue growth. A stack including a highly anabolic compound with a highly androgenic compound is like testosterone....on steroids.
Stacking is always better for pure gains than a single compound or even a simple stack. There will be lots of overlap as far as what each compound will do, but there will also be complimentation too. Gains:sides ratio, however, I say simple stacks are much better any day.
Have you guys ever noticed that on some cycles certain body parts had better results than other's?I notice this cycle that my arms and back have grown more than anything else.My last cycle it was mostly my quads,chest,ticeps that grew.My training is still pretty much the same except for the exercises I do.I keep to heavy compound movement also.
I'd be interested to see any real studies that show EQ has a positive effect on tendons. A lot of this stuff is taken out of context. Many studies will show that compound X has a positive effect on procollogen type III, but a negative efect on procollagen type II (just as an example). Then, people take from that what they want, and it ends up being compound X is good for connective tissue or compound X is bad for connective tissue. Winny, for instance, promotes collagen synthesis, i.e. it's pro-joint. You feel joint pain when you're on it, but that doesn't mean it's "bad for your joints". You'll feel joint pain on GH often too, but GH is excellent at promoting connective tissue growth. A stack including a highly anabolic compound with a highly androgenic compound is like testosterone....on steroids.
Stacking is always better for pure gains than a single compound or even a simple stack. There will be lots of overlap as far as what each compound will do, but there will also be complimentation too. Gains:sides ratio, however, I say simple stacks are much better any day.
Thats the first time I'd heard winny is good for your joints, I'm not disagreeing I just always read about bad for joints. I know first hand about GH and it can cause joint pain at high doses but we know about its healing powers.......11
I'd be interested to see any real studies that show EQ has a positive effect on tendons. A lot of this stuff is taken out of context. Many studies will show that compound X has a positive effect on procollogen type III, but a negative efect on procollagen type II (just as an example). Then, people take from that what they want, and it ends up being compound X is good for connective tissue or compound X is bad for connective tissue. Winny, for instance, promotes collagen synthesis, i.e. it's pro-joint. You feel joint pain when you're on it, but that doesn't mean it's "bad for your joints". You'll feel joint pain on GH often too, but GH is excellent at promoting connective tissue growth. A stack including a highly anabolic compound with a highly androgenic compound is like testosterone....on steroids.
Stacking is always better for pure gains than a single compound or even a simple stack. There will be lots of overlap as far as what each compound will do, but there will also be complimentation too. Gains:sides ratio, however, I say simple stacks are much better any day.
I'm not sure I agree with you about the single compound vs. simple stacks. Do
you feel that test alone will not yield as good of gains as test + deca? In my
experience, test alone is better for gains. While test does not bind as well to
the AR as deca, it does have the advantage of its metabolites being anabolic.
I don't mean to sound ignorant, but ... 
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