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It seems to me that taking CJC and GHRP is redundant. Take one or the other. Taking CJC or GHRP with GH seems counterproductive. CJC and GHRP tell the body to make more GH. When exogenous GH is detected, the feedback loops goes to work and the body STOPS producing GH. So, seems you'd better off taking the CJC or the GHRP and not the GH. And CjC is super cheap compared with GH. You might spend like $50 a month on CJC.
I am trying to learn about GH and IGF-1. I am curious as to how much GH you would recommend while on cycle, and after on PCT? Do you have any experience with IGF-1 and either way, what are your thoughts on it? Is it as effective as GH is using IGF-1 alone? How does a dose size of IGF-1 relate/compare to GH? Are they both administered in about the same amounts for what rate of effectiveness? I am looking for facts, but I am asking you as I value your opinion as well. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by bigbench
To get the most out of it, you should start GH before the cycle to benefit it during and post cycle. Starting it as your coming off wont do a lot of good. Now, if you want to run some GHRP and CJC in its place, maybe along with some IGF, then you will see some great benefit in a short amount of time and retain most of if not all your muscle, post cycle
I am trying to learn about GH and IGF-1. I am curious as to how much GH you would recommend while on cycle, and after on PCT? Do you have any experience with IGF-1 and either way, what are your thoughts on it? Is it as effective as GH is using IGF-1 alone? How does a dose size of IGF-1 relate/compare to GH? Are they both administered in about the same amounts for what rate of effectiveness? I am looking for facts, but I am asking you as I value your opinion as well. Thanks.
I would do 40mcg's of IGF-1 eod and around 4 units of HGH ed (Regarding pct). As far as i know, igf1 increases the potency of HGH when stacked toghether.
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It seems to me that taking CJC and GHRP is redundant. Take one or the other. Taking CJC or GHRP with GH seems counterproductive. CJC and GHRP tell the body to make more GH. When exogenous GH is detected, the feedback loops goes to work and the body STOPS producing GH. So, seems you'd better off taking the CJC or the GHRP and not the GH. And CjC is super cheap compared with GH. You might spend like $50 a month on CJC.
CJC and GHRP might do the same thing, but they do so via different mechanisms in the body. So using the two together not only increase their effects, but they magnify them much more than normal. Its like 1+1=6. Also, the best way to use GH along with these, would be around 10 minutes after injecting about 100mcgs of each. Doing this, your body will see a large spike in endogenous GH and then levels return to normal. By making your body pulse GH when you want to, you can use GH without the slowing of your own production
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I would do 40mcg's of IGF-1 eod and around 4 units of HGH ed (Regarding pct). As far as i know, igf1 increases the potency of HGH when stacked toghether.
This is pretty spot on. IGF should be used at around 40-50mcgs IMEDIATLY post workout (split bi laterally so 20-25mcgs in each side of the muscle just worked). Once you go over that amount, less of the IGF is used locally and will spread through the body. Some used for anabolic purposes, and some not. So, just stick with that amount. You can use it post workout only so not to waste it ed. As for GH, the optimal dose would be 4-6ius ed (7 days a week, not 5) through the cycle as well as through PCT. If you want to use both, I would recomend to use GH all the way through and IGF the first 4-6 weeks of the cycle to form new cells and allow the cycle to mature them at a much faster rate than normal and then run the IGF again during PCT to increase anabolic acitvity while lowering cortisol and preventing muscular breakdown
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This is pretty spot on. IGF should be used at around 40-50mcgs IMEDIATLY post workout (split bi laterally so 20-25mcgs in each side of the muscle just worked). Once you go over that amount, less of the IGF is used locally and will spread through the body. Some used for anabolic purposes, and some not. So, just stick with that amount. You can use it post workout only so not to waste it ed. As for GH, the optimal dose would be 4-6ius ed (7 days a week, not 5) through the cycle as well as through PCT. If you want to use both, I would recomend to use GH all the way through and IGF the first 4-6 weeks of the cycle to form new cells and allow the cycle to mature them at a much faster rate than normal and then run the IGF again during PCT to increase anabolic acitvity while lowering cortisol and preventing muscular breakdown
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Instead of gh + igf-1, I'd use gh + 10iu of levemir or lantus insulin. Both are known to activate IGF-1 receptors (levemir at 5 times the rate of plain, endogenous-type insulin, lantus at 8 times), so IGF-1 from the GH cascade effect would be better utilized. You do have to be concerned with developing desensitivity to insulin, though probably not during a 8 week PCT if you haven't used insulin on the cycle.
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