I keep hearing dbol alone no good ???

[chris gordon]

well arnold has been pretty candid about admitting to using test, deca, and dbol...he claims the amounts to be very low to what most of us would use....whats his motivation to tell the truth? so it becomes we did 4 hour workouts....blah blah, me and franco....blah, blah...yes they trained like hell, yes they had great genetics....but only they truly know what the put in their body...and if you think they have any incentive whatsoever to be completely honest about their drug use 30 years ago....then i have a couple of bridges i wanna sell....i recall reading articles by sergio oliva..where he talked about having big glass jars full of dbol, anadrol, whatever...and they would just go pop a handful whenever they felt like it.....and remember all the steroids we have now...they had then.....the main difference in physiques is from (insulin, GH, T3,beta agonists, higher dosages better diets, and never coming off)

[Arnold73]

yeah MANWHORE, I still think they should market dianabol though, from what Ive heard it has a very positive effect on the body even in low doses if you were muscle wasting. I would think it would be better than anavar for the HIV, cancer group as far as increasing there appetites, retaining protein, gaining weight, etc. without feeling ill. Ive heard that anavar can give you stomach problems at the dose they need to use, and anadrol will destroy your appetite, ive heard nothing bad about dianabol as maybe it was the greatest steroid ever made thanks to Dr. Zeigler.

And I totally agree with "legal eagle" about there serious dedication to training and there good genetics.

I think chris gordon made a very good point about them basically taking more than we think though. chris, where did you get your references about Arnold taking testosterone, and also Sergio dipping into the dianabol&anadrol jar for a handful of goodies ?
If you happen to have them, please post em man.

[chris gordon]

years and years of reading musclemag...back before it became a big muscletech ad...it had some good interviews with sergio and stuff....and muscle media 2000 both of these in the early 90s were killer for gettin the low down on steroids in bodybuilding

[2ez]

Saw this on another board......any thoughts ?




The Dianabol Bridge Explained (post #1)

I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.

Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.

Hope that clears the air.

[getinyuge]

Hey bro so your saying if I am running a omnadren cycle lets say. I can go 8 weeks with a 10mg dose of anabol at the end and this will help to recover to an extent at 10mg in the AM? I wonder if anadrol at a lower dose mid cycle to jack up the mass would work well with this theory ex omnadren anadrol then d bol to end.....

[Arnold73]

Originally Posted by chris gordon

years and years of reading musclemag...back before it became a big muscletech ad...it had some good interviews with sergio and stuff....and muscle media 2000 both of these in the early 90s were killer for gettin the low down on steroids in bodybuilding

muscle media 2000, LOL I remember when that was a great mag, times have sure changed. I hear ya though, that was a great read for gettin the lowdown before the net changed everything.

[Bigman290]

Thats a good run down 2ez...well thought out...maybe i wiill give that a try on my next cycle.