I want to minimize bloat with enanthate

[jrewing]

I want some help on how to minimize bloat with test enanthate.I have nolvadex and clomid.I always use Nolva when i use test (40mg) day will this cut back or down the bloat?Or does anyone else have any ideas ?

[Bob Smith]

Arimidex, femara or aromasin.

[Bigkarch]

dex is sufficient..nolva and clomid really wont help much with the aromitization of estrogen..thus bloat..gyno yes..pure bloat no..

[Deacon]

A-dex is what I would use

[PDP]

clo and nolv will help with bloat. Try to reduce sodium intake and keep well hydrated.

[Bigkarch]

Originally Posted by PDP

clo and nolv will help with bloat. Try to reduce sodium intake and keep well hydrated.

not much my friend...does not stop the aromitization...

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by PDP

clo and nolv will help with bloat. Try to reduce sodium intake and keep well hydrated.

no it wont - he needs Arimidex or femera

[PDP]

Originally Posted by Deacon

no it wont - he needs Arimidex or femera

Yes, it will help. True Anti-e's are better, no doubt, but receptor anti-e's will help. It has certainly helped me through many, many cycles.

Nolv, specifically, was used by many a BB back in the day when true anti-e's were not readily available. As the so-called guru's say:

"The fact that Nolvadex will reduce water retention may result in the user agreeing that gains are less, since weight gain is less, thus reinforcing the bias."

For me clo reduce my edema amazingly well. Although we can think of clo and nolv as being e-reseptor "blockers" so to speak, e-receptors do not only lie in your "titties" as fat bastard would say. Clo and nolv have traditionally been the first line of defense against female fat pattern distribution and edema for many decades. I am sure the Austrian govenor of california would agree.

As I mentioned, keeping well hydrated and cutting out sodium will also make a huge difference.

[Bigkarch]

hell PDP I luv bro..but but to minimize bloat/estrogen gains..nolva and clomid is not designed for that..dex or letro will stop the aromitization...once the aromitization occurs..then novla or clo will help with gyno control with blockage.....the only thing that will stop aromitization (bloat) is dex or letro...that is key..the aromtization...

[PDP]

My Hungarian blood brother, I agree with you that arim etc. is better, but I am telling you, nolv and clo will help with bloat.

I understand your argument about aromatization, it will indeed lead to more circulating estrogen, that is correct. Nolv and clo will not stop this from occuring... but.... The answer lies here: "How is it that increased serum estrogen creates bloat if the estrogen is unable to bind at receptors?"

The literature is full of anti-edema refernces for these drugs, such as follows:

"For male and female bodybuilders, however, it is a very useful and recommended compound which is confirmed by its widespread use and mostly positive results. Nolvadex belongs to the group of sex hormones and is a so called antiestrogen. It is mostly male bodybuilders who use Nolvadex, and fewer women. At first sight this seems somewhat inconceivable but when taking a closer look, the reasons are clear. Bodybuilders who take Nolvadex also use anabolic steroids at the same time. Since most steroids aromatize more or less strongly, i.e. part of the substance is converted into estrogens, male bodybuilders can experience a significant elevation in the normally very low estrogen level. This can lead to feminization symptoms such as gynecomastia (growth of breast glands), increased fat deposits and higher water retention.

It’s primary use among bodybuilders is to reduce or prevent edema (excess fluid in the intercellular tissue spaces of the body), gynecomastia (bitch tits), and female pattern fat distribution during high dosages of anabolic steroids or testosterone.

Some bodybuilders, wait until they experience itching, soreness, or excessive sensitivity in the nipple area, then take 40mg/day of Nolvadex for one week, then decrease the dosage to 10mg/day, for the rest of the duration of the cycle.

The antiestrogen Nolvadex works against this by blocking the estrogen receptors of the effected body tissue, thereby inhibiting a bonding of estrogens and receptor. It is, however, important to understand that Nolvadex does not prevent the aromatization but only acts as an estrogen antagonist. This means that it does not prevent testosterone and its synthetic derivatives (steroids) from converting into estrogens but only fights with them in a sort of "competition" for the estrogen receptors. This characteristic has the disadvantage that after the discontinuance of Nolvadex a "rebound effect" can occur which means that the suddenly freed estrogen receptors are now able to absorb the estrogen present in the blood. For this reason the combined intake of Proviron is suggested (see Proviron.)

Nolvadex is also useful during a diet since it helps in the burning of fat. Although Nolvadex has no direct fatburning effect its antiestrogenic effect contributes to keeping the estrogen level as low as possible. Nolvadex should especially be taken together with the strong androgenic steroids Dianabol and Anadrol 50, and the various testosterone compounds. Athletes who have a tendency to retain water and who have a mammary dysfunction should take Nolvadex as a prevention during every steroid intake. Since Nolvadex is very effective in most cases it is no wonder that several athletes can take Anadrol 50 and Dianabol until the day of a competition, and in combination with a diuretic still appear totally ripped in the limelight. Those who already have a low body fat content will achieve a visibly improved muscle hardness with Nolvadex."

I can tell you with 100% certainty that bloat WILL be reduced by these drugs. I have presonally experienced a drop of close to 10 lbs in water within days of starting these drugs.