IGF-1 and HGH what is the dif?

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What is the difference?



Can the people who have used both please resond to this thread. Tell us what either is like.

Should you get blood tests done prior to taking these? Find out what your natural IGF-1 levels are?

Whats the deal with all this stuff?

Thanks alot.

[ag-guys]

IK has a good article about it
http://www.igfking.com/new/growth.php

AG
www.ag-guys.com

[FTT010101]

I love both


but... if I could choose. Id go with GH... I know the whole igf thing is supposed to be better but for some reason it just wasnt the same as GH. I ran both together for a while... but I had done gh before hand for a while. I loved the way 5iu a day made me feel... seriously like a god... like nothing could fucking phase me... slept like a baby, ate like crazy but woke up leaner all the time, Felt GREAT... like I was on a natural high or somthing.. just in a damn good mood. it was crazy. Deffinitly mix the two though, massive gains. I was a little overkill back then and well... hell id do it all over if I had the money right now but I dont so its low dose and just aas for a while...


Cycle was somthing like this

5iu per day (7 days a week)... yes I know some only do it 5 and then 2 off... I did 7 on... so... always on mostly cuz you are always growing.. only inj in the morning as you can ride our your natural circadian rhythm of gh for at least a bit before it crashes too later (months in).

So,

GH 5iu/day

IGF1-LR3 / 80mcg (yes I know.. double the recomended dose) Divided into two separate slin pins 40mcg each, mixed with 4-5iu Humalog and mixed with vitamin b12 till the pin was full (mostly for dilution) didnt ever let the pin sit like that for long, would mix the stuff in my truck out in the parking lot of the gym (kept it all in a cooler)... this would be post workout... Injected bilaterly into the muscle group just worked (at least what I could reach)... so, like back day id hit both lats, chest day both pecs, arm day both bi's or Tri's, leg day both quads, and on abb day I once injected it into my lower abs... that was interesting lol... mostly though I would inject it bilaterly into the muscle i worked the day before on ab day. You need a stopwatch...

patter goes...

Inject (yes all injections are IM, in case you were wondering)

... wait 5 min

Drink 70g Dexatrose with plenty of water (I used cell tech so I usualy got 10g creatine and the usual dose of alpha lipoic acid)

....wait 15 min

Drink 40-60g Protien (as high a quality you can get.. not a necesity but I always try to get the best if I can afford it) NO FAT if possible (I used isopure poweder)

... Wait 45 min

Eat a full meal comprised of good complex carbs (oatmeal for me), high protien (another shake 50g-60g) and minmal fat (so add nothing)

Then revert to your normal every 2 hours eating habbit.


At the same time I was running

1g-1.5g Test E
600mg Deca/week
600mg EQ/week
50mg DBOL ED
40mg nolva ED
2.5mg Femara ED
T3 (cycling on and off only up to 50mcg though nothing higher. only used for its slight anabolic properties)


Cycles were ment to be 16-20 weeks in durration with bridges of primo at 200mg/week oh,... and of course I was still on GH.... got through one cycle of AAS and I had started the GH slin IGF thing later towards the end of my cylce (its when I finaly aquired all the gear) finsihed up the 5 months I had off, started bridging and bam... in a flash everythign was confiscated and I had no more hormones exo or endogenous. Anyway... if I could do it again, Id start tommorow.

Lata,

FTT

[unt0ld]

Thx for the awesome reply.

[unt0ld]

So they say you shouldnt take HGH untill your atleast 30 correct? (or something like that)

Does this go for IGF-1 also?

[FTT010101]

LOL... at least 30 ... shit.... well I broke that rule. I have no idea... why ? are you thinking of using it for HRT or for some sort of bodybuilding goal? Low or High Dose... need more info.. if its hrt then yeah, that makes sense... but igf1 doesnt strike me as somthing you'd use for hrt... I dunno, just what I think. Could be wrong, lets see what everyone else has to say

FTT

[unt0ld]

did I ever mention HRT?

lol


Nah man

Im trying to bodybuild.

[unt0ld]

So how old were you when you did your first HGH and or IGF?

[bg65]

HAHAHA LOL... Tank- I was reading your first post, not remembering that you were back on the board, and I was like damn, that sounds exactly like the cycle Tank was on AND the way he would take IGF and slin... I looked up to see who posted it and remembered it was you...it is good to have you back on the board.
You would always recommend using GH with AAS, right? Slin is also needed with GH, right, because it decreases your body's output or something like that?

[FTT010101]

yeah bro, you remember me then though... lol, fuckin crazy... acne was kinda bad but that woulda cleared up had I taken more inititive in cleaning it. The whole Gh after 30 thing is more of an HRT thing I think cuz by then your GH levels are dropping so you sup with exogenous stuff to keep them nominal.


I dont have all the reasearch in front of me and most of its comming from memory but I belive GH through some mechanism makes you slightly... or more to the point... lowers your insulin receptor sensativity (maybe this is through its eventual conversion to igf1... but I really dont know the mechanism off hand). But yeah, since I was going to be doing a long ass cycle at a high dose I figuered Id better add it in before I became insulin dependant later on down the line. Blunts your T3 I think too... (again, dont know the mech off hand) but by supplumenting at lower doses ... like 25-50mcg you can actualy increase the amount of anabolism. I dont remember why exactly AAS is good for it... but I vaguley remember somthing about needing an androgenic or anabolic environment ... or maybe its just because you approach the Hypertrophy by one mech (GH, Slin, IGF) which are all peptides right... so you approach it another angle too which is independant... through steroid receptors... thats my guess... too bad einstein1905 scammed... that guy knew so much about this stuff... if i wasnt so swamped in crap to read for school id look into it... but since im not going to be running it any time soon i think ill just wait...

lata

FTT

[hooker]

Here's a quick overview of IGF and GH:


GH is produced in the body by the pituitary gland. This production is as a result of Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) being released by the hypothalamus.
You can influence this release by nutrition and exercise. You can also inject HGH, but that doesn't make your body release it, it simply adds it into your body.
Once it is released, GH stimulates the the body's cell to both increase in size and experience more rapid cell. It enhances the rapid movement of amino acids through cell membranes. It increases the rate which amino acids are used by cells and converted into proteins like those found in muscle tissue.

IGF1 is a polypeptide hormone about the same size as insulin, released primarily in the liver (but also in peripheral tissues, like muscle- forexample) with the stimulus of Growth Hormone (GH). Mechano Growth Factor is an isoform of IGF-1 (technically it is called IGF-1Ec) released by the muscle in response to mechanical work (like lifting weights). This isoform may be responsible largely for hypertrophy induced by IGF-1.
IGF-1, in general, is probably responsible for the anabolic activity of GH. This includes both nitrogen retention and protein synthesis, as well as muscle cell hyperplasia (increase in number of muscle cells), as well as mitogenesis (the growth of new muscle fibers).
Interestingly, IGF-1 can also cause skeletal muscle hypertrophy by activating the phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase (PI3K)-Akt pathway.
This givess us reason to think that IGF-1 probably acts on most tissues to enhance growth via several possibly disparate mechanisms.
Although GH and IGF-1 are inexorably connected, they actually produce a few divergent effects.
IGF is both a known neuroprotector and neuropromotor also. Clearly, this is because there are IGF receptors within the brain and in motor neurons. Interestingly, there is no IGF receptors in fat.
Igf, therefore- (I reccomend to) be injected intramuscularly, while GH necessarily is injected subcutaneously.
Finally, IGF is vital to the proper production of connective tissue; and both endogenous and exogenous IGF improves collagen formation and aids in the repair of cartilage. IGF is also vital to proper bone density and bone density regulation, although only GH can actually be said to be responsible for the elongation of bone tissue.
The IGF-1 available on the Black Market right now is Lr3igf-1 (Long R3 Insulin-like Growth Factor-I or Long R3IGF-I). This is simply an 83 amino acid analog of human IGF-I comprising the complete human IGF-I sequence with the substitution of an Arg for the Glu at position 3 and a 13 amino acid extension peptide at the N-terminus.[/

[unt0ld]

good read thanks hooker.

What is the downside to shooting HGH intramuscularly?

[FTT010101]

There isnt one Just absorbed faster... but if you inject SubQ you can target fat deposits... so thats the plus for SC injects