is hcg a must?

[turboed]

is hcg a must for pct,i got nolva and clomid and i really don't want to use hcg,can i avoid it?

[perseverance]

it depends, how long and what type of cycle you are on. if your cycle isn't very long and isn't going to shut you down too bad, then you don't have to have it. but if your cycle does shut you down then you need hcg to help jump start your boys into working at full go again. others wise it'll take a long ass time to get back to normal if at all depending on the cycle.

[turboed]

when you you shut down do you loose a lot of testicle size?if so then i've never shut down really hard,just noticed a lack of interest in puss* on the last deca cycle wich might be what they call deca dick but i recovered without any nolva or clomid wich was stupid on my part,but now i'm on deca and test again.

[Archie]

You can not determine the extent of shut down through testicle size. Use HCG!

Why do you not want to?

Archie

[perseverance]

not necesarilly, its a good indication though. when you took deca did you take it by itself? cuz otherwise most people can't even get it up at all. thats why you take a higher amount of test when you take deca. still you probably shut down to some degree and, although you might be back to normal, you should include HCG in your PCT. why don't you want to?

[terrorizer2]

Not all people get nut shrinkage on low doses.For me it is usually 1000mg a week of test or upwards.Under that i am usually okay.It does help if you can use HCG but i think you should be alright without it.

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[turboed]

first i don't have any and second i heard it hurts like a mo fo,but i still have 8 weeks to get some.

[turboed]

i also just read you start therapy with hcg a few weeks after the last shot but i'm also on deca and it is long acting,how many weeks till you start hcg when ending deca?i'm on a 10 week cycle now and i will take 10 weeks off then start another cutting cycle for summer of 8 to 10 weeks and then comes a long break of at least 6 months,i feel that i will need the hcg for the end of the cutter since it will be a long break after that,what do you guys think?

[lou123]

Originally Posted by turboed

i also just read you start therapy with hcg a few weeks after the last shot but i'm also on deca and it is long acting,how many weeks till you start hcg when ending deca?i'm on a 10 week cycle now and i will take 10 weeks off then start another cutting cycle for summer of 8 to 10 weeks and then comes a long break of at least 6 months,i feel that i will need the hcg for the end of the cutter since it will be a long break after that,what do you guys think?

10 weeks between cycles is not enough time to fully recover. Start the HCG 2 weeks before your last shot of T and take the last HCG shot right around the time you take your last T shot HCG shuts you down just like T does. 10 days after your last shot you can start Tamox/Clomid

[dennis]

Originally Posted by lou123

10 weeks between cycles is not enough time to fully recover. Start the HCG 2 weeks before your last shot of T and take the last HCG shot right around the time you take your last T shot HCG shuts you down just like T does. 10 days after your last shot you can start Tamox/Clomid

lou ..I hear what you are saying to him but you gave no indication of how many hcg shots and what dosage....If he starts hcg 2 weeks before last test shot he should take it every 3-5 days at what iu's ? And for exactly how long ? I use it during my cycle 1 time per week at 500 iu's after about week 4.At end of cycle i up to 750-1000 iu's hcg last injection of test and then again in 3-5 days..this works for me.

[turboed]

but if i'm still doing a second cutting cycle what difference does it make on the break time(10 weeks) if i will be shut down again after the second cycle?could you please be more specific?

[lou123]

Originally Posted by dennis

lou ..I hear what you are saying to him but you gave no indication of how many hcg shots and what dosage....If he starts hcg 2 weeks before last test shot he should take it every 3-5 days at what iu's ? And for exactly how long ? I use it during my cycle 1 time per week at 500 iu's after about week 4.At end of cycle i up to 750-1000 iu's hcg last injection of test and then again in 3-5 days..this works for me.

It didn't sound like he did any homework so i didn't bother with doses as 10 weeks is not long enough to fully recover, he may as well just stay on 100 mg of test for those 10 weeks , not something I would do but..........

[turboed]

this here is homework plus i got books but it seems everyone has different opinions on the net so i'm not going to go crazy,i like to hear all of them regardless,i usually take longer breaks but this summer i want to look better than last,i feel like is a waste of time to do hcg since after the 10 weeks i will be back on stuff but i wanted others opinions,i will definetly take it at the end of the summer cycle.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by turboed

but if i'm still doing a second cutting cycle what difference does it make on the break time(10 weeks) if i will be shut down again after the second cycle?could you please be more specific?

Turbo,
The longer you stay shutdown, the harder it becomes to restart. So if you don't take time to fully recover after your current cycle, then it will be difficult to restart after your next cycle because you'll have been shutdown for so long.

As far as hcg hurting... you've been listening to idiots. It's taken with an insulin pin and is comprised of the hcg in Bacteriostatic water. You never feel anything and there's zero soreness.

Taking hcg will dramatically speed up the process of restarting your natural test production. You use that as a "kickstart" and then let nolvadex take over and you'll be fine.

As you're not competing, you would stay off for about 16 weeks. With a relatively mild cycle, this is the program I and many others have used with a lot of success when not competing: Starting 1 week after the last AAS shot... 2 weeks of hcg (500iu 3x/week) & nolvadex (20mg/day), followed by 4-8 weeks of just nolvadex (20mg/day) depending on cycle and age, and then 8-10 weeks of natural training before starting your next cycle.

Good luck,
MaxRep

[Président]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

Turbo,
The longer you stay shutdown, the harder it becomes to restart. So if you don't take time to fully recover after your current cycle, then it will be difficult to restart after your next cycle because you'll have been shutdown for so long.

As far as hcg hurting... you've been listening to idiots. It's taken with an insulin pin and is comprised of the hcg in Bacteriostatic water. You never feel anything and there's zero soreness.

Taking hcg will dramatically speed up the process of restarting your natural test production. You use that as a "kickstart" and then let nolvadex take over and you'll be fine.

As you're not competing, you would stay off for about 16 weeks. With a relatively mild cycle, this is the program I and many others have used with a lot of success when not competing: Starting 1 week after the last AAS shot... 2 weeks of hcg (500iu 3x/week) & nolvadex (20mg/day), followed by 4-8 weeks of just nolvadex (20mg/day) depending on cycle and age, and then 8-10 weeks of natural training before starting your next cycle.

Good luck,
MaxRep

Have you try to introduce hcg 500iu once a week during your cycle to prevent balls shrinkage?is it useful?