Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Kc Dnp Log within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; This board seems really receptive to DNP usage, so I will be logging my DNP cycle here.
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You're playing with fire my friend. For your own sake, at least get some cheap antiox or a large bushell of blueberries. You can get 3 months of ALA and Grape seed for $20 total. Throw some vitamin E in there too. My best suggestion would be E, ALA, Grape seed, Inisitol, Timethylglyceine, CLA, ZMA, ECY. Probably in that order. Is this your first cycle? Starting that high, and taking no supps sounds like the kind of cycle that people die on. If you're feeling hot on day two, you're going too strong in my opinion. Oh well...Good luck.
You're playing with fire my friend. For your own sake, at least get some cheap antiox or a large bushell of blueberries. You can get 3 months of ALA and Grape seed for $20 total. Throw some vitamin E in there too. My best suggestion would be E, ALA, Grape seed, Inisitol, Timethylglyceine, CLA, ZMA, ECY. Probably in that order. Is this your first cycle? Starting that high, and taking no supps sounds like the kind of cycle that people die on. If you're feeling hot on day two, you're going too strong in my opinion. Oh well...Good luck.
I've done several cycles in the past, by approximation this would be my 4th or 5th cycle of DNP.
I'm not quite sure what you are insinuating, but mere antioxidants will not save your life in any case.
As for the heat, I don't mind.
I will let Conciliator handle the antioxidant comment as he is well versed in this topic and has already refuted a discussion like this in the bb.com forums.
I was making two separate points. If you take a large dose without ramping in, you risk massively elevating your blood temperature which can cause brain damage, CNS damage, or worse.....death. As far as antiox goes, Few people would argue for the unsafe side over the $20 safe side.
If you're approximating your cycles and you've only done 4 or 5...you may already have some brain damage. Those aren't NASA numbers.....
Starting that high, and taking no supps sounds like the kind of cycle that people die on.
No, in actuality you were attempting to make some kind of correlation between high dosage, lack of supplements and an increase in probability of death.
By the way, if you are making "two points" with this "suggestion" then methinks that you are the one with brain damage.
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Originally Posted by Orangejuicer
I was making two separate points. If you take a large dose without ramping in, you risk massively elevating your blood temperature which can cause brain damage, CNS damage, or worse.....death. As far as antiox goes, Few people would argue for the unsafe side over the $20 safe side.
If you're approximating your cycles and you've only done 4 or 5...you may already have some brain damage. Those aren't NASA numbers.....
Show me some studies that prove that large dosages without gradual increase will lead to brain damage, CNS damage, and/or death, then I will believe you. Otherwise it will just sound like you are talking out of your ass. As for the antioxidant issue, if it makes you sleep better at night then go ahead, there are no studies that prove that DNP even increases oxidants in the body.
As for your final attempt at a joke there... again you may want to check yourself for brain damage... because it was neither funny nor insulting.
we all have to find the system that works best for us........but generaly moderation is to be advised.
goodluck on your cycle i will be following along
I was making two separate points. If you take a large dose without ramping in, you risk massively elevating your blood temperature which can cause brain damage, CNS damage, or worse.....death.
If you take a large dose, but the active levels in your body are zero, the risk for overheating is minimal. At just 400mg/day, DNP accumulates in a week to over 1g of active DNP. I've taken 1g bolus doses, as I know many other people have, after carefully testing my tolerance to the drug. This is not how I usually use it or recommend it, but it goes to show that a large dose when active levels are zero is practical. Your blood doesn't boil.
I've never heard anything about "massively elevating your blood temperature". That sounds speculative at best and factually incorrect, at worst. As the original studies on DNP explain, it appears that the majority of the heat that's produced from uncoupling originates from metabolically active muscle tissue. There doesn't seem to be any danger wrt heating the blood, per se, by taking a large dose early on. In fact, the blood is key to dissipating the heat.
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Originally Posted by Orangejuicer
As far as antiox goes, Few people would argue for the unsafe side over the $20 safe side.
You're begging the question. It's not clear that taking antioxidants confers any safety benefits. You could equally argue that you should wear a helmet while taking DNP. Well there's no indication that doing so makes taking DNP any safer. Many, many people think that antioxidants are necessary when taking DNP due to an "explosion" of oxidative stress in the mitochondria. This is a pernicious myth. In fact, DNP limits/eliminates the production of mitochondrial ROS by lowering the electrochemical potential of the mitrocondrial gradient. If anything, there's justification for a reduction in antioxidant needs. Of course, this is counterbalanced by the need for antioxidants due to semi-quinone metabolites of DNP that can produce oxidative stress. This is not why people traditionally take antioxidants, though. Thousands and thosands of people took DNP in the 1930's with no antioxidants whatsoever. By and large they did just fine. Auxillary supplements are not going to limit the production of heat. If you overdose, you'll die from overdosing, no matter how many extra supplements you take. Supplements don't lower the production of heat. Only a lower DNP dosage (or an under dosed DNP product) does that.
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