Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Keeping my gains within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; As most of you know by now, I'll be starting my first cycle soon. Before I start I was wondering ...
As most of you know by now, I'll be starting my first cycle soon. Before I start I was wondering if theres anything else I should be taking during or after the cycle other than the Nolva to help me keep my gains. I plan on still working out intensely, and keeping my protien & cals up. Any suggestions?
Yes this is the most important part of a cycle. Some people fuck up on the pct part! I'd say Day after last injection, 500iu every day of hcg for 2 weeks. Then clomid and nolva (50mg and 20mg for 4 weeks) I'd take plenty of Amino Acids and creatine along with 5000+ cals. Train almost as hard as you did on cycle! Oh and if you find you suffer from testicular atrophy through the cycle take 500iu of hcg every 4 days!
Yes this is the most important part of a cycle. Some people fuck up on the pct part! I'd say Day after last injection, 500iu every day of hcg for 2 weeks. Then clomid and nolva (50mg and 20mg for 4 weeks) I'd take plenty of Amino Acids and creatine along with 5000+ cals. Train almost as hard as you did on cycle! Oh and if you find you suffer from testicular atrophy through the cycle take 500iu of hcg every 4 days!
Alright bro, this is the plan so far:
Week 1-10 Test Enan @250mg monday & 250mg thursday
Weeks 11&12 Nothing
Weeks 13-16 Nolva @ 20mg ED
Where would the HCG fit in? During weeks 11&12? @500iu ED? And clomid would be along with the nolva. Right? Let me do this over and see if I got you straight.
Week 1-10 Test Enan @250mg mon. & 250mg thurs.
Weeks 11 & 12 500iu of HCG ED
Weeks 13-16 Nolva @20mg ED & Clomid @50mg ED
Does this look like what you were getting at?
Seems like alot being a simple Test E cycle.
Shout at me guys and let me know if this looks right.
Thanks again!
You've got it in a nut shell. It may seem like a lot, its not. You really want to be trying to keep as much of the gains as you can, and with all of this in place you'll be doing pretty much all you can. Don't forget to be checking your balls through cycle. If they start shrinking Do hcg 500iu every 4-5 days. Get some more Test. 12 weeks would be better. You want to be finnishing strong dude!
I dont mean to sound like a prick, but is the Clomid really necessary?
I can see using the HCG to just start my balls though........
Its cheap and It will bring your natural test back quicker. Thus keep more gains. Though makes you emotional so if taken before you go to bed the emotions would peak when your asleep. Clomid is neccesary with some people and not with others. You can just make up your own mind.
I don't like HCG during the cycle simply for the fact that it throws yet another variable into the equation with respect to estrogen. For example, you might be at your threshold of gyno resistance at 500mg ew of cyp and then if you take HCG you might push yourself over the edge and start having gyno issues. For this reason I just save the HCG for after, if at all. Your cycle is a simple and fairly easy to recover from beginner cycle, 500iu ed for 2 weeks should be plenty to get the balls rolling again. Ha! Anyway, I don't use clomid, but I'm just bitter about the stuff 'cause it failed to work the two times I used it. And I know the stuff was legit so, that wasn't it.
If you do decide to run the clomid and nolva together, I can tell you that 50mg isn't shit. 20mg nolvadex = 150mg clomid.
One more quick question. I see that HCG is mearured in iu's. How does that translate into ml.
If I have to do 500iu every day for 2 weeks, thats 7000iu. I can only find them in 5000iu amps.
Does anyone have it in bottles? Dont want to waste the 3000iu leftover.
My doc gives it to me in 10000iu bottles so I sometimes have to waste more than that. If waste is a major concern, then just use 5000iu's or go ahead and use the full 10000iu's. That'll give you 20 days at 500iu ed. Remember, HCG is just artificial LH. So, when you get your body making decent amounts of its own, then you don't need HCG anymore. 5000iu's will be enough to make a start, especially on a simple cycle of T only.
I'm finishing up the best PCT of my life! I ran HCG 500mcg/day eod for two weeks (about ten days after my last shot of Sus) and started taking a blend of aromasin and nolva (Tamoxifen 40mg/Exemestane 10mg) everyday. By far the biggest contributing factor has been the Lr3IGF-1! This stuff freaking rocks! I started it with three weeks left in my cycle and continued it until three weeks into my PCT and I have been amazed! It truly has recomped me like nothing else. I know I was losing some water after coming off cycle, but the cuts that I've seen can't be the result of just sheding water. Really great stuff! I'll never run without it again! I've kept my strength, lost minimal weight (water), and actually gotten harder and leaner. Great stuff!
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Oh and if you find you suffer from testicular atrophy through the cycle take 500iu of hcg every 4 days!
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