Kinda complicating question on ESTERS - MESO-Rx

chuck89gt · #1 (**permalink**) 06-02-2004, 07:57 PM

Ok I am currently in week 5 of a test prop / tren cycle. And I have some test enanthate left over.

I want to save some of my prop to extend the cycle a bit so the question is, is if I shoot the test enanthate now, when can I stop injecting the test prop? How long will it take for the enanthate to start working, remember I am in week 5 of the prop. Make sense?

chuck89gt · #2 (**permalink**) 06-03-2004, 07:45 AM

bump

Zircon · #3 (**permalink**) 06-03-2004, 08:10 AM

give us some idea of exactly ho much prop u are using. Essebtially u are looking for the same kind of daily test release but using Enan...can get complicated working that out. You will need to do some half life calcs to do that. Use this:

http://www.doping.net.ru/Roid.htm

Put in your current prop (or what u have been using for last 5 weeks)

You'll get a graph and a daily release of test. Now instead of using prop you'll plug in enan and try to get the graph as close as possible.

Give us the details, I'll work it out for you as well to make sure u get the right dosage.

out

dumbbellpress · #4 (**permalink**) 06-03-2004, 12:10 PM

Mixing and matching prop and enanthate esters, IMHO, is not a good idea.The 1/2 life of Prop is approx. 2.5 days. The 1/2life of Enanthate is approx. 5.5 days Prop hits you pretty quickly. Enanthate does not hit you for quite awhile.
If you discontinue Prop and switch to enan, your blood free test levels from the Prop will fall fairly quickly, leaving you with a void because the Enan takes some time to provide significant free test levels.

Can you switch to Enan midcycle from Prop?? Sure you can. And you might even experience still good results. If it was me.............I would buy some more prop and finish off my cycle with Prop. There are a lot of good sources on Meso who sell Prop.

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Peace Division · #5 (**permalink**) 06-03-2004, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dumbbellpress

The 1/2 life of Prop is approx. 2.5 days. The 1/2life of Enanthate is approx. 5.5 days

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DB, just curious where you got those half-lives from. I ask cuz I've seen prop's half-life as 4.5 and enan's as 10.5

MANWHORE · #6 (**permalink**) 06-03-2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Peace Division

DB, just curious where you got those half-lives from. I ask cuz I've seen prop's half-life as 4.5 and enan's as 10.5

Yes,me too and i also see some places have EQ with a 12 day HL... Anyway,that's a good graph. You can change those halfs on the graph.

dumbbellpress · #7 (**permalink**) 06-04-2004, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Peace Division

DB, just curious where you got those half-lives from. I ask cuz I've seen prop's half-life as 4.5 and enan's as 10.5

Peace division, the figures you have are incorrect. There was a chart listing the half life of Prop as 4.5 days (wrong) , enan as something like 10 days (very very wrong)

If the 1/2 life of Prop really was 4.5 days, then you could shoot prop every 5 days and be fine. Name ONE source that advocates shooting Prop every 5 days..................you cannot because there are no sources that advocate that.

The figures i listed for Prop and enan - 2.5 days / 5.5 days are widely accepted as very accurate from a number of different sources, from a number of different boards, from a number of very knowledgeable vets. I stand by those #'s.

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Peace Division · #8 (**permalink**) 06-04-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dumbbellpress

Peace division, the figures you have are incorrect. There was a chart listing the half life of Prop as 4.5 days (wrong) , enan as something like 10 days (very very wrong)

If the 1/2 life of Prop really was 4.5 days, then you could shoot prop every 5 days and be fine. Name ONE source that advocates shooting Prop every 5 days..................you cannot because there are no sources that advocate that.

The figures i listed for Prop and enan - 2.5 days / 5.5 days are widely accepted as very accurate from a number of different sources, from a number of different boards, from a number of very knowledgeable vets. I stand by those #'s.

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That's cool bro. I never thought prop should be shot every 5 days. I don't even think enan or cyp should be every 5 days. Trying to keep blood levels stable should yield best results and less sides.

And I think everyone is in agreement that prop should be shot ed (although some will say eod, but ed should keep blood levels more stable) and enan 2x/week (although 3x/week may keep blood levels more stable). And sorry to Chuck for the slight hijacking. Peace and be safe.

chuck89gt · #9 (**permalink**) 06-04-2004, 02:18 PM

Ok I cant really figure out that graph, I am shooting prop ED at 75 mg. If I shoot the enanthate today how many days until I can DIScontinue the prop?

MANWHORE · #10 (**permalink**) 06-04-2004, 06:25 PM

Tell me how many days you want to shoot the enan each week and i'll figure it out for you. If your shooting 75mg of prop ed,after 2 weeks 71mg is the max amount of test that will be active in your system at any one time. The amount will fluctuate day by day with 71mg being the highest. Now,all you have to do is figure out how many times and at what dose per inject you need to take the enanthate. O JUST SHOOT IT!