Lab results after 2 yr long cycle

[jb55638]

2 yrs of a variety of gear............some brief time off here and there.

Results are from 6 months of no gear. Also, I used nolva only at 50 mgs ed for 15 days. (all I had)

LH: 1.3
FSH: 1.2
Test at 6:00 AM: 320
Test at 12:00: 249

Will taking HCG and clomid now get my test levels back up where they should be??

I will be seeing the endo September 7th...............any ideas of treatment cenarios are GREATLY welcomed.

thanks,
Justin

[unt0ld]

how old are you and what do these results mean? they good? bad?

[prodigy06]

Get more nolva. Or some Arimidex. 15 days isn't shit.
Try Nolva for like 5-6 weeks. 2 weeks 50mg ED followed by 2 weeks 30mg ED and then like 20mg for the rest.

[jb55638]

WHat about contiued HCG doses, say 500ius every 3 days.............with nolva??

[jb55638]

They are bad/low.............I'm surprised you don't know this. WOW, it is important to get your blood panels done at least once a yr if your gunna use gear regularly.

Anywho, my shit is low...........LH and FSH are below normal, and test is at the bottom 240-800 is considered normal.


Please comment only if you have experience with AIHG.

[prodigy06]

This might help, I acutally didn't know this about HCG...

"[HCG] is always used in conjunction with a potent estrogen receptor antagonist like clomid or Nolvadex. When the androgen level in the body has dropped, these antagonists will lower estrogenic response creating a steroid deficit that signals the Hypothalamus to start making GnRH. When it does, after HCG therapy, testicle size is up again and shortly thereafter natural testosterone manufacture should return to normal. But therefore its crucial that users note that though HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself. Effective dose: 1500-7500 IU every 5-6 days "


You should have researched this before going on that long of a cycle bro.

[van-man]

Originally Posted by jb55638

They are bad/low.............I'm surprised you don't know this. WOW, it is important to get your blood panels done at least once a yr if your gunna use gear regularly.

Anywho, my shit is low...........LH and FSH are below normal, and test is at the bottom 240-800 is considered normal.


Please comment only if you have experience with AIHG.

Well smart ass.... do you know what scale your levels were measured on? Was it pico grams or nano grams? Geez........... I'm suprised you don't know the importance of this. Anyway.....
As you should've read HCG, acting as LH in the body, produces, in the end, the same suppression to the pituitary as the steroids you were taking on your tard length cycle! Also, it (HCG) is only good for stimulating the testes. If your T levels are near the bottom range, then that means that your testes are able to produce sufficient amounts of test. What is lacking is your LH output. Nolvadex is most preferable for this. Clomid to a much lesser degree. Arimidex will do nothing for your pituitary; it only inhibits estrogen. Whereas nolvadex does both. For nolvadex, I think anything over 20mg ed is wasting it. What is needed is more time on it. So, get more nolvadex; enough to do another 5 weeks at least. And do not talk down to the vets on this board, they know more about steroids in one of their nuts than you do in both of your little shriveled post cycle nuts!

[jb55638]

Is the suppression of the LH due to damaged Leydig Cells......?? Also, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass, sorry man. Thanks for the advice with the tamoxifen.

[van-man]

LH is suppressed because the elevated levels of testosterone in your body have instructed your pituitary to stop triggering the release of LH. Now your testes have atrophied, but not severely according to your lab results if they are in the nanogram scale. And your pituitary has gotten lazy and a bit desensitized. Nolvadex is great because it blocks estrogen, stimulates the pituitary to produce LH, and increases sensitivity of the pituitary to GNrH released by the hypothalamus (clomid has been shown to desensitize in this capacity).

just get on the nolvadex and stay on it until you're good and happy.

[DocJ]

Even with that weak pct I'm surprised your levels are that low after 6 months. How old are you?Get on the nolva...