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Old 07-03-2009, 12:12 PM
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Ok I originally was going to go onto an all oral cycle at first due to my wife being worried about roids being dangerous and I figured I could hide orals from her. However, we talked about it and she has come around to the idea. So since this will be my first cycle this is what I have decided upon
Weeks 1-10 Sustanon @500mg weekly (injected every mon/thurs)
I also plan to take Winstol at 50mg a day for the last 4 weeks (it was free so what the hell )
I figure I will start clomid/nolvedex therapy plan 2.5 weeks after my last injection at 50mg day clomid and 20mg day of nolvedex for 3 weeks.

I have 100- 0.25mg tabs of armidex on hand if gyno or estrogen probs start to arise as well.

My main questions are what kind of results am I to expect and do you think I'lll have trouble maintaing my gains?
I am a bit worried about all the acne but oh well.

Let me know what you think.....
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Congrads on being honest with the wife! Honesty is the best policy.I would run sust 12 weeks for your first cycle,500 mgs will produce amazing results if you are over eating and training properly.30 pounds would be possible,keeping 60-75 % of the gains is also possible.get some acutane if you are worried about acne....
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My goal is to keep at least 20lbs hopefully. I actually thought about accutan but I work in the sun sometimes and I thought you had to avoid sun exposure when on accutane. Perhaps, I am wrong? I just figured I would take 2 showers a day, use an antibacterial soap and I did hear that some tanning might help if it gets to bad.
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Nice first cycle! You will be well pleased. Dennis is right about possible 30lbs.....Train hard and don't stop eating! I wouldn't run clo and nolvadex both for pct. One or the other. If you start to get bloated you can add adex @ .25 e3d. other than that, you are going to love it!
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I agree, good 1st cycle! Some people would recommend a straight test enenthate over sust. Either way its good.

How much training experience do you have? Whats your current stats? If you dont know what your doing in the gym dont expect much out of your cycle. One of the biggest benefits is the intensity you can have in the gym and recover quickly.

Doing a cycle and some yoga wont do shit for ya! (Someone write that shit down! Thats pure genius!)
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Ok bro accutane is some bullshit dont fuck with it....I have a freind who took it and now has crohns disease bc of it and other problems....if this the same accutane we are talking about which is doctor prescribed and you have to sign a waiver saying the company is not responsible for the side effects if they do occur...now it works really well, as well as it fucks u up....this may not be the case fo everybody but seeing what it did to my buddy i would never touch that stuff....
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I've used accutane several times personally on dosages of about 20 mgs a day. Get your blood checked every week if you're using an oral steroid and accutane, every two weeks should do it if you're just using the accutane. That will let you know if your liver is getting screwed up or not.

As far as accutane causing IBD and everything else that gets blamed on accutane alone...
most people would not have developed such severe reactions if they worked their way up in dosage, kept doses reasonable, and had the proper bloodwork done frequently enough to catch any complications early enough to do something about them.

Accutane DOES make you MUCH more sensitive to light and sunburn. Stay out of it if you're on or wear a fairly heavy sunblock. Also, keep your lips moisturized from day 1 otherwise they're going to chap up like a mofo.

Accutane should ONLY be used as a "last" resort for people with exceptionally bad acne that OTC acne medications can't resolve.

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I forget exactly how many mgs of acutane I used on cycle but think i took 10 mgs every 3 days..basically 2 tabs per week..this was just enough to keep my acne at bay.
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I actually did consider the test enhanate over the Sustanon but after my research it souned as though the Sustanon was least likely to cause any side effects so I went with that instead. As for my currents stats. I have been training hard for about 3 years now. I'm 23. I weigh 185lbs at 5'8". About 9%bodyfat. I eat like a horse and hit the gym hard but I just seem to have hit a wall with gains over the past year. I imagine my genetics have a lot to do with it as my dad is fairly skinny as is all the men in my family. I've been looking into anabolics since I first started hitting the gym and met a guy there who was probably about 275lbs (not fat either). I never plan on getting to that size but my goals are to one day hit 215-220lbs. Just a little info on myself/background to those who asked. As for the acne. If I get it then okay it'll end shortly after the cycle is complete. So I can deal. All in all I haven't been this excited about doing something since I heard the words "she can come home with us too if you want" lol.
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