Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Leydig cell desensitization within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Originally Posted by terresw
I was always of the notion that clomid would raise your LH and FSH but the ...
I was always of the notion that clomid would raise your LH and FSH but the problem was if LH and FSH would stay elevated after disconinutation of those drugs. Man I learn somethign new everyday.
Clomid MAY raise it, but it may not. If your pituitary is healthy, but just suppressed, then it has a better chance of restoring proper function. If however there is a chronic problem, then the addition of clomid might not be beneficial. Also, why clomid over nolva? I know its your doctors call, but just curious? As for the HCG, using those doses in that short amount of time, you dont have anything to worry about. If you used it long term, then your chances go up of desensitization. Also, if you use nolva or adex, it greatly reduces those chances as the elevated aromatization from HCG is one of the causes of it.
Also, how much adex were you running on while you were on the test cyp? Also, how many weeks exactly did you use it for?
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You wont find many docs willing to prescribe Nolva. It is simply classified as an anti-cancer drug by the US medical community. I did find a urologist that stated they were starting to look at it for its potential beneficial effects on the prostate, but he stated that was a LONG way away.
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Originally Posted by bigbench
Clomid MAY raise it, but it may not. If your pituitary is healthy, but just suppressed, then it has a better chance of restoring proper function. If however there is a chronic problem, then the addition of clomid might not be beneficial. Also, why clomid over nolva? I know its your doctors call, but just curious? As for the HCG, using those doses in that short amount of time, you dont have anything to worry about. If you used it long term, then your chances go up of desensitization. Also, if you use nolva or adex, it greatly reduces those chances as the elevated aromatization from HCG is one of the causes of it.
Also, how much adex were you running on while you were on the test cyp? Also, how many weeks exactly did you use it for?
Well obviously I am somewhat suppressed as my testosterone was not ) and it was in the 300s before begining TRT so my pituitary was shooting out a little bit of LH. My goal is to get off TRT and restore my test to normal levels.
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Originally Posted by bigbench
Clomid MAY raise it, but it may not. If your pituitary is healthy, but just suppressed, then it has a better chance of restoring proper function. If however there is a chronic problem, then the addition of clomid might not be beneficial. Also, why clomid over nolva? I know its your doctors call, but just curious? As for the HCG, using those doses in that short amount of time, you dont have anything to worry about. If you used it long term, then your chances go up of desensitization. Also, if you use nolva or adex, it greatly reduces those chances as the elevated aromatization from HCG is one of the causes of it.
Also, how much adex were you running on while you were on the test cyp? Also, how many weeks exactly did you use it for?
You can get back to your normal levels eventually. There have been long term studies where people supped test for over two years and returned to normal within two years. I am curious. Did you do steroids prior to TRT? What makes you think you can get more normalized levels now? Or do you jsut want to return to where you were prior to TRT. THis will happen. I am curious. Did your doc test your testosterone levels early in the morning (when initially diagnosed)? Levels can drop 300 points just in the course of a day. They are highest in morning. All the HCG is going to do is mimic LH and keep them to size and partially funtioning. You need HMG as well for full artificial stimulation. The clomid seems like the option to help restart the signals. Of course keep the HCG in the mix to preserve them in the meantime. See if he will write HMG? Let us know.
FYI, your Urologist has the biggest set of nuts I have ever heard of on one of those chicken shit bastards.
He works with alot of bodybuilders. Well I have always been a really strong big guy. I never did roids but I have been able to bench nearly 400lbs and squated 500 and leg pressed over 1000 on a 6'2 260;lb frame. 15% bodyfat. Always had a very high sex drive then all of a sudden in July for no explainable reason I started to feel like shit liteally within the timespan of a week for no reason at all. Could nto get turned on for sex, was dropping weight quick and I mean quick, and nuts got smaller very quickly for no reaosn at all. I have never touched an anabolic. Well i went to the Dr and my test had gone down to low 300s in the early AM. 140s by the pm hours. My FSH and LH had gone down ridiculiosly low for no apparent reason. Way below normal. So I immediately within 3 weeks got on trt. I was begging for it. I should have waited longer. Anyways, here I am now wondering if i restart can I be my old sefl again or just do clomid for trt. It is being done now people! HCG has gotten my balls bigger but not as big as they were. They were HUGE. I'm guessing this is due to a lack of FSH stimulation. Anyways, I had my last 200 mg test shot on Monday and next wednesday I got to the doc to get my clomid prescription. But ya he is happy giving me as much test hcg and adex i want. I just dont feel good on it. Some days are good, some are bad, some i have no sex drive, some its ok. I want to feel normal again. Not to mention I work in public service and I dont want to be juicing.
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