liver

[askari]

I'm starting to take 50mg/day QV Winny tabs (divided over 2 or 3 times a day) and 50mg/day proviron. I'm going to stay on both for 40 days. Do I need to do anything to help my liver, and if so, what should I do. Thanks.

[patsfan]

Originally Posted by askari

I'm starting to take 50mg/day QV Winny tabs (divided over 2 or 3 times a day) and 50mg/day proviron. I'm going to stay on both for 40 days. Do I need to do anything to help my liver, and if so, what should I do. Thanks.

Oh yeah baby. Go to wal-mart and buy some milk thistle. Take 1000mgs a day throughout the day. A bottle of 100 is like $6.

Dont take any 17aa's without it.

[askari]

Originally Posted by patsfan

Oh yeah baby. Go to wal-mart and buy some milk thistle. Take 1000mgs a day throughout the day. Abottle of 100 is like $6.

Thanks!

[maxx]

Originally Posted by askari

Thanks!

also there is a product called liv52 that good for that liver.

maxx

[askari]

Originally Posted by maxx

also there is a product called liv52 that good for that liver.

maxx

I'm also taking 300mg/wk of Decca and 600mg/wk of cyp (both injected twice weekly) and .25mg/day of Arimidex and 20mg/day of Nolva.

People talk about Proviron as an aromatase blocker. Can/should I stop taking the arimidex now that I've added the proviron?

[patsfan]

Originally Posted by maxx

also there is a product called liv52 that good for that liver.

maxx

Also good. Ive know people with hep c that took it for 6 months and the hep didnt even show up on a blood test (of course it was still there).

[patsfan]

Originally Posted by askari

I'm also taking 300mg/wk of Decca and 600mg/wk of cyp (both injected twice weekly) and .25mg/day of Arimidex and 20mg/day of Nolva.

People talk about Proviron as an aromatase blocker. Can/should I stop taking the arimidex now that I've added the proviron?

I would up the deca another 100. 300 is kinda low.

[askari]

Originally Posted by patsfan

I would up the deca another 100. 300 is kinda low.

Thanks for the input!

Where can I get liv52?

[patsfan]

Originally Posted by askari

Thanks for the input!

Where can I get liv52?

Same place..wal-mart. Its alot more money compared to milk thistle and they both work the same IMO but it is up to you.

Any major drug store with carry both ( CVS, Walgreens..ect)

[askari]

Originally Posted by patsfan

Same place..wal-mart. Its alot more money compared to milk thistle and they both work the same IMO but it is up to you.

Any major drug store with carry both ( CVS, Walgreens..ect)

Hey. Sorry to jump around so much.

Are there symptoms I would notice if my liver were starting to have problems? Or can I only know from a blood test?

[patsfan]

Originally Posted by askari

Hey. Sorry to jump around so much.

Are there symptoms I would notice if my liver were starting to have problems? Or can I only know from a blood test?

Blood test.I am a recovering alcoholic (5 years and did alot of damage over the years)so I notice if I try to take a heavy oral like dbol or drols the I get a flutter of sorts in my side..not painfull but enough to keep me away from 17aa's all together.

[maxx]

Originally Posted by patsfan

Blood test.I am a recovering alcoholic (5 years and did alot of damage over the years)so I notice if I try to take a heavy oral like dbol or drols the I get a flutter of sorts in my side..not painfull but enough to keep me away from 17aa's all together.

also if you bruise real easy,and yellowing of the skin.

but bro unless you have really abused aas and alcohol for years,or unless you have a genetic problem passed down,you will not run into any problems.if it make you feel better go to the doc and get you liver values tested.

maxx

[askari]

Originally Posted by maxx

also if you bruise real easy,and yellowing of the skin.

but bro unless you have really abused aas and alcohol for years,or unless you have a genetic problem passed down,you will not run into any problems.if it make you feel better go to the doc and get you liver values tested.

maxx

Nah, I'm not extremely concerned, and I haven't been abusing aas for years and I hardly drink. I just exploring the subject and trying to assess and manage the risk.

Thanks for everything in the thread, guys!

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by askari

People talk about Proviron as an aromatase blocker. Can/should I stop taking the arimidex now that I've added the proviron?

Proviron is not an aromatase blocker to the same degree of something like arimidex or letrozole. IMO and personal experience, it does a very poor job of reducing estrogen unless you're taking at least 100mg's/day. Contrast the effectiveness of that with something like arimidex which needs only .25mg/day to be effective.

Also, remember proviron is an oral alkylated steroid. Actually it's DHT with a 1-methyl. So while not as bad as taking 2 17aa steroids, taking proviron and another oral steroid will cause additional stress to the liver. Be liberal in your use of milk thistle and liv52.

MaxRep

[Quasimoto]

Originally Posted by patsfan

Blood test.I am a recovering alcoholic (5 years and did alot of damage over the years)so I notice if I try to take a heavy oral like dbol or drols the I get a flutter of sorts in my side..not painfull but enough to keep me away from 17aa's all together.

I have read a few reports that actually make claim that Milk Thistle is worthless. It claims to work based on the same mechanism that supplements like "chitosan " does. It its said to have a negative charge, and as the milk thistle passes through the liver it use "valence" to draw the impurities near the MT and is metabolized as Hydrogen and water, same as alcohol and GHB. I have never seen studies to back up the claim that it works as its supposed to, because of what happens to the MT as it passes through the other portions of the stomach digestive tract.
the shit is cheap enough to use most of the time, but i havent EVER noticed a difference when "on it" or "off it" . I would advise instead just stay heavy into the water , be careful with your diet, keep the fats moderate and you'll be fine without the Milk thistle...