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I just read Phreezer's thread on PCT and I think I got a good idea of what I need to do.
bigbench, I have only one point of contention:
Taking HCG on the day of your last shot would therefore be useless. Instead one would want to calculate the last week in which androgen levels are likely to be above normal, and begin ancillary drug therapy at this point. In this case HCG would be started around the third or fourth week.
That's an excerpt of an HCG profile I found. It seems to make sense to me to start the HCG about 3 weeks after my last shot since bot Test E and EQ are long estered and take about 3-4 weeks to exit the body. Right or wrong?
So really my only question now revolves around when exactly to start HCG. Once I get that figured out I'm G2G.
This is by far the best, most helpful board I have looked at and I'm glad I joined. You guys are the best.
I just read Phreezer's thread on PCT and I think I got a good idea of what I need to do.
bigbench, I have only one point of contention:
Taking HCG on the day of your last shot would therefore be useless. Instead one would want to calculate the last week in which androgen levels are likely to be above normal, and begin ancillary drug therapy at this point. In this case HCG would be started around the third or fourth week.
That's an excerpt of an HCG profile I found. It seems to make sense to me to start the HCG about 3 weeks after my last shot since bot Test E and EQ are long estered and take about 3-4 weeks to exit the body. Right or wrong?
So really my only question now revolves around when exactly to start HCG. Once I get that figured out I'm G2G.
I believe that excerpt is reffering when to start HCG DURING cycle, not post cycle. The reason being, its trying to stave off testical shrinkage when androgen levels are highest (starting around week 3 or 4). As for PCT, HCG does supress HPTA so you want to use it, maximize its use, and then be done with it before starting clomid or nolva. So, like I was saying. Go ed injections with it after your last test/eq injection and before starting PCT
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how much did you weigh 2 years ago when you started training?
it sounds like you need to eat more and set the roids aside for another time.
that being said, i like test +EQ myself, ive done 2 cycles of it in the past.
run EQ for at least 16 weeks i really see it kicking in around week 6,7,8 in the form of vascularty/and a hit of muscle hardness/size.
you only need to pin once a week.
never tried winstrol, but if i did i think ide do it oraly to avoid frequent injections.
personally ide forget any adex unless you see signs of needing it.
eat clean and frequently.
back to your weight.......seriously 177lbs?? what do you usually eat in a day?? im pretty curious.
PCT nolva for 4 weeks starting 2 weeks after your last shot 20/20/20/20.
First off I can weight up to 180lbs depending on the day. I've found my weight fluctuates a lot. Before I started lifting (seriously lifting) I think I weighed 170lbs give or take a pound. But I'm sure my bodyfat was higher, around 16-18%. I decided I wanted to bulk this winter, but it didn't work for several reasons.
1. I had a very hard time making it to the gym during the holidays. I'm just now over this last week getting back into it and seeing some of my former strength and pumps. I benched 275 which I was very proud of considering my bodyweight.
2. I'm basically your classic mesomorph. I put on bulk pretty easily. When I tried to make gains this winter I basically just got fat, IMO anyway. I'll be smarter about bulking during the winter next year. Which is why right now I'm focused on getting some moderate clean gains and strength. And then focus on cutting it up some this summer. It's too late to try seriously bulking right now IMO. My gear won't get hear until about another 2 weeks.
Protien shake upon waking, after that one whole egg and plenty of whites w/ oatmeal or Total cereal w/ a protien shake if I'm strapped for time.
Try to have a protein bar or shake before lunch. Lunch is usually leftovers of whatever chicken or lean beef dish I've made. Homade chicken parm, stir fry, chili ect. I don't eat fish (tuna included). I just won't do it.
Protien shake and NO Explode (love that stuff) pre-workout
Protien shake post workout
Same stuff for dinner as lunch (usually)
I snack on a lot of walnuts (unsalted) and usually put them in some lowfat yogurt or cottage cheese and some raisins.
When I was trying to bulk I ate reduced fat peanut butter from the jar often.
Last edited by IAmTheWalrus; 01-21-2009 at 10:08 PM.
Don't forget the 18g pins for drawing out the oil.
And once you've read what BigBench has to say, just do it. No need for more questions.
In ten weeks, all things in order, you should hit 200 lbs, and then you'll wait anxiously to begin your next (12 week) cycle.
Solo
18g pins??? LOL! Just when you think you have everything figured out! So I'll need a different needle to draw the oil?
OK. That should about do it then. I can't even tell you how excited I am. I am a madman in the gym already as it is. The prospect of me closing in on 200lbs makes me get feelings in funny places.
Once again, thank you all for the input. You realize that this is serious business, and we need to look out for one another as much as possible. Thank you.
Ok folks so here is the stack with reflected changes, based on your input:
500mg/week - Test E - 2 shots a week
500mg (or 600mg)/week - EQ - 2 shots a week
DBol - 25mg/day for first 4 weeks to kick start the cycle
Anavar - 50mg/day for last 4 weeks
Arimidex - .25mg to .5mg a day every week, adjust as needed for bloating
HCG - 500ius once a week during the cycle
PCT:
HCG - 500ius ED for ten days following the last injection
Clomid therapy to follow:
Week 1 300 mg, 100 mg, 100 mg, 100 mg, 100 mg, 100 mg, 100 mg
Week 2 100 mg, 100 mg, 100 mg, 100 mg, 50 mg, 50 mg, 50 mg
Week 3 50 mg, 50 mg, 50 mg, 50 mg, 50 mg, 50 mg, 50 mg
Along with Nolvadex 40mg/week for 4 weeks, 20mg/week next 2 weeks, 10mg/week next 2
why do you feel like you need that huge PCT for a 10 week cycle?
That was just based on research I've done and input from this thread. It did seem excessive to me at first. I was originally going to do only clomid for 3 weeks. But then people started suggesting HCG and so on and so forth. Your suggestions are welcome.
why are you only running EQ for 10 weeks?
I'm not anymore. I've decided to run it longer. Thanks.
why dont you eat more and reach at least 190 lbs. first?
I tried to explain this earlier. Trying to bulk naturally this winter pretty much went out the window. I feel if I try to start again now it would be too late to gain that much weight naturally. So I've decided to try a stack that would give me some clean, moderate gains, and keep the water retention low. By the time this cycle is over (hopefully keeping much of the gains), I'll be ready for a cutting cycle for the summer.
to many drugs for basically a first timer that weighs 177lbs.
This is the blueprint I'm following. I stacked on my first cycle with no PCT. I know I was lucky (and stupid) but I noticed almost no side effects. I retained a little water. But no acne, no gyno, no sexual sides (that I noticed anyway). So this is what I've decided to go with.
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