losing weight...help - MESO-Rx

spound · #1 (**permalink**) 02-07-2004, 03:31 PM

Alright fellas...I'm 19 yrs. old 6 foot 1 1/2 223 lbs. I am on my 2nd cycle which cosists of 2oomg/wk test cypionate for 6 wks and 300 mg/ wk deca QV 300 for 10 weeks. the only reason i am not taking the test longer is b/c i was takin Dbol but got off it b/c i had too much pain in lower back so i switched it out w/ my buddies test but he only had 6wks worth lying around. Here's the deal....i was getting very nice gains (i weighed 207 when i started) then about 6 weeks into the deca and 4 wks into the test i weighed about 227 but started dropping wieght and stregnth as well. I keep seeming to get smaller and it sucks!! i still have 2 wks of deca left and 1 wk of test... do you think i am losing b/c i am not taking enough or should i get on an estr. blocker? (i didnt think i would need any at such a low dosage) I have been sick w/ a bad cold but have been still training and eating 4-6000 cal. / day. ANyone help me out? I would appreciate it

LuvMuhRoids · #2 (**permalink**) 02-07-2004, 04:38 PM

spound bro...

I wish you would have done some research first before you started any cycle. I can tell you dont know what you are doing. Next time you should bring your cycle here for a critique before you start. Your deca might be fake for one.

Also, youre running deca past your test? Deca will shut you down hardcore and is hard on the body. It's called deca dick and hard to recover from. Do you have PCT planned out and nolvadex on hand here? That is a must. You should have this on hand before you start any cycle. Lastly, test should be the base for every cycle. Please read and do some research bro before you hurt yourself.

Also, your asking some questions that cant be answered because you havn't posted your cycle up. Need to know what the dosages are. Also could be your diet. Are you eating enough carbs? The test will increase your estrogen thus water retention and weight gain. If you stopped test and only on deca that might be it. Although deca does bloat you also. I cant tell post up your cycle and which week you are in it. Also what gear is it you have and describe it.

This cycle seems all wrong.

spound · #3 (**permalink**) 02-07-2004, 04:54 PM

I am getting plenty of carbs in my diet...i have a pretty fast metabolism so i can eat pretty much anything. A normal eating day for me would look like this:
8 egg whites and 3 pieces of toast and banana w/ peanut butter
2 chicken sandwhiches a sweet potatoe and 1/2 cup rice
2 double cheeseburgers from wendy's
1 muscle milk meal replacement shake w/ 1/2 cub oatmeal and yogurt
5 pieces pizza bowl of ice cream
tuna sandwhich, chicken salad, bowl broccolli
bedtime whey protein shake w/ milk and peanut butter sandwhich
As far as this cycle has gone:
ive taken 7 weeks of deca at 300 mg/wk but went up to 450mg on week eight
took debol (25mg/day)for 2 weeks then got off and went straight to test(b/c of back pain) at 200 mg/wk startin at week 3 of the deca and now i am on week 6 of the test and wk 9 of the deca
I dont have any nolvadex on hand b/c a pretty regular user at my gym said my dosages of test and deca weree too low to have to worry about PCT

spound · #4 (**permalink**) 02-07-2004, 04:57 PM

Ive been around the stuff and researched quite a bit, but as it loks now....maybe not enough, but hopefully you could help me out. I kinda made it a quick thing b/c of the unexpected Dbol pain. I have read that a Dbol deca stack is a very popular bulking cycle and that is why i chose that

spound · #5 (**permalink**) 02-07-2004, 05:09 PM

My test is testo 200LA by MEXI-PHARM 200mg/ml 20 ml bottle
Deca is Deca QV (Quality Vet) 300 300mg/ml 10ml bottle
They are both from mexico and seem very legit

LuvMuhRoids · #6 (**permalink**) 02-08-2004, 02:58 AM

I just about still cant figure out what your doing here. Im not flamin you Im actually glad you came here for proper advice. Your friend telling you no PCT is way wrong first of all. Always have nolvadex on hand and PCT waiting. You also need something to help stimulate your HPTA. Something needs to be done about your own testosterone production to combat catabolism, to restore libido and avoid depression. A good PCT combo is Nolvadex and Clomid.

Now the way youre doing deca. The body is always looking to establish homeostasis, a balance in the body. Upon the introduction of AAS to the body, you begin to reduce your own production. Some AAS compounds are harsher to your HPTA and shut your natural production down hard. Namely Deca is one.

You should run deca 100+mgs under your test. Like this. test 500mg deca 300mg week. Test should be the base to every cycle. Also stop deca one week prior to the last week of the test administration. Then run PCT 17-21 days after last week of the test injection.

PCT will help you keep your gains longer and nolvadex is a must because you will have whats called an estrogen backlash. This is usually when acne breakouts occur you need nolvadex to keep this in check.

This is how a novice cycle should look like in example
Wk 1-11 Test Enanthate/400-500mg each week
Wk 1-10 Deca Durabolin 300-400mg each week
Wk 1-16 Nolvadex 20mg each day
Wk 13-16 Clomid
*That is 14 days after last shot.
*note the Deca Durabolin ran 100mg less than the test and also one week shorter

To help you out further click on my links in my sigs. Each one is very informational and necessary information for AAS users.

Grizzly · #7 (**permalink**) 02-08-2004, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spound

Ive been around the stuff and researched quite a bit, but as it loks now....maybe not enough, but hopefully you could help me out. I kinda made it a quick thing b/c of the unexpected Dbol pain. I have read that a Dbol deca stack is a very popular bulking cycle and that is why i chose that

Obviously not enough research and I would postulate that "quite a bit" means asked some dumb fuck buddy of yours and LMFAO seriously hard at the deca/dbol being a popular bulking stack. Maybe with your high school buddies who have their pre-pubescent heads up their hairless asses it is, but, in the real world, it ain't.

spound · #8 (**permalink**) 02-08-2004, 03:38 PM

Luvmuhroids-
I aprreciate you giving me all the helpful advice instead telling me how stupid i am (grizzly). You have been very informative, and it is nice to know there is someone out there who cares enough to help out younger guys to prevent them from being hurt. It is obvious i have made some critical mistakes, and now i can actually learn from them ( iguess i have some unreliable sources) . Like you said i am going to change that and run the test a week longer than the deca. I also read you link about PCT which was very helpful and it shows i have about 2 weeks after my last shot of test to find some Clomid and Nolvadex so i have about 3 weeks to get some. Where can i get it? The same place as the gear? And how much will it prob. run me? Thanks again and next time i will run my next cycle on this board to get some critique first.

spound · #9 (**permalink**) 02-08-2004, 03:41 PM

Also grizzly by the way i wasnt getting the advice from my "dumbass highschool frineds" i am aware that this is a very serious matter and i was taking advice from one of my past trainers and a 36 year old that trains in my gym who competes who both neither mentioned PCT and i didnt come across any while researching. My mistake, but it happens. asshole!!!!!

Grizzly · #10 (**permalink**) 02-08-2004, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spound

Also grizzly by the way i wasnt getting the advice from my "dumbass highschool frineds" i am aware that this is a very serious matter and i was taking advice from one of my past trainers and a 36 year old that trains in my gym who competes who both neither mentioned PCT...

So which part of "Obviously not enough research and I would postulate that "quite a bit" means asked some dumb fuck buddy of yours" was incorrect?