low testosterone from bad cycle, need recovery advice

[peanutbutter]

2 x a week 2000-2500iu for 3 weeks of hcg help+ some time...and yes..good chicks

[rspike]

im actually quite content that the little bit of hcg, clomid, and nolva i did has got my T levels back to a high normal range..and also my LH

what i need to know is how to ensure it maintains now.. and is there anything I should do for the high normal estrogen or just give things time to settle?

[yeahbuddeh]

i took tren E 5 years ago and it permanently damanged my HPTA and enlarged my prostate. i dont need tests to tell me that. I know how I feel. I dont know what happened but in week 3, my intense orgasms diminished and they hardly felt great. it only improved slightly many months after i stopped that cycle. during those months, i was crashed hardcore. last year i tested my levels (havent touched anything in over 3 years, a real cycle in 4 years, and the tren since 5 years) and they came back at 542ng. i dont know what that means. sounds like low mid to me. my free was high. im 27. i did the tren at 22 and highly regret it. however i still get morning wood, have a decent libido, etc. my point is, YES you CAN damage your HPTA in 12 weeks. my cycle was only 7 weeks..

Originally Posted by lovevixen

Yes put the point is nothing can suppress the HPTA for 4 years their is not anything youc an do in 12 weeks of stacking AAS that will still have you screwed up 4 years latter it simply does not work that way. TIme is the ultimate reapir tool for the body. So you are either lieing about how long you used AAS in total or you had low test before and did not know it. You do not have to be fat to have low test! In fact fat does not lower the output of test from the testicles at all what fat does is convert the test to estrogen so if a guy has sky high estrogen like I had something like 498ng/dl the only way my body could make that much estrogen is from converting my test. My test was around the 250-400 level as well so while I was not suffering from excessively low test I had estrogen dominance from the excessive body fat but I had to be makeing test for it to convert it. My Doctor was an idiot and did all the wrong things in treating me and basicly fucked me up worse then before so I am now trying to fix things on my own!

The point is that one cycle does not screw one up for 4 years.

Yes a good Anti-Estrogen that is know to raise test levels would be my first choice. I would not go with clomid and novadex though in your case.......I would use something that can actualy get intothe lipids and shut down aromatization and something that is proven to increase test output I do not think CLomid and Nova do this! Take a look ar Aromasin and some of the other Anti-E's. I would add Vitex and DIMM to the mix as well! In a few months you should be normal.

If you are lieing about anything you will never get good results. I would lie to my wife before I would lie to my Doctor or anyone trying to give me medical advice. I never lie to my Doctor or my Preist!

[lovevixen]

I still say you are full of it. BPH is so easily treated and reversed in most cases it is not even funny. Test is so safe that it has been studied for over 20 years as male birth control and was about to come onthe market then we had that stupid steroid crak down. I have seen the research on PBS of all places and it is completly reversable. You cannot completly shut down HPTA function for 5 years after stopping a single cycle unless you have a brain tumor in that area!

I do not give a rats ass what you have to say because you are lieing because science which is real does not agree with your seat of the pants self DX. What you need to do is go see an accredited endocrinologist and get to the root of your low test! Low test is wide spread in this country and 99% of the people experiencing it are not people that have taken one cycle of steorids 5 years ago! If you have issues you neeed to look harder then your one time playing around with steroids. First you had to suspect you had low test to start with or why did you try steroids at all in the first place?

We have too many people that have used off andon for years that have had no issues. I have realtives that used as well and years latter have no issues at all! Pro athletes plenty use and then stop again they all recover. You have issues that have nothing to do with your one time use of steroids! You need to get them addressed and until you do you will be in the state you are in. So shut the hell up and go see a endocronologist and stop wasting peoples time on this site!

[jlguitar]

you should nudge your estrodial down to 20 that should kick up your test levels a little bit, and should make you feel better . i would suggest arimadex for an anti-estrogen.