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Old 10-02-2005, 02:13 AM
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This is my idea for the next Mass cycle:

500mg per week - Test Cyp
200mg per week - NNP
50mg for the last 6 weeks - Winny
50mg for last 4 weeks - Nolva

10-12 weeks?

Then standard PCT - HCG Nolva Clomid
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I would use HCG a few times During and not after ... Change the Nolva last 4 weeks to Arimidex for alot less time just to rid the body of excess estrogen to prepare for the PCT with Clomid
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What about adding 50mg of Proviron daily? Throughout or twards the end? Thanks for the help.
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What about adding 50mg of Proviron daily? Throughout or twards the end? Thanks for the help.
I really don't know how good Proviron is for lowering Estrogen but i know Arimidex is great and you can count on it. .. I wouldn't use it for long just long enough to get Estrogen under control so the Clomid can start working
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Is this a good 4th cycle?

All my otheres where Sus250 or Test E, this time I might have better sources and I want to engineer the whole cycle a little better.
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I read this about Proviron:

Proviron is an anti-aromatase, so obviously anti-estrogens would be futile and redundant.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catprov.htm

That is why I asked seems to do well with Deca, Test, and Winny and is a anti-aromatase.
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I read this about Proviron:

Proviron is an anti-aromatase, so obviously anti-estrogens would be futile and redundant.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catprov.htm

That is why I asked seems to do well with Deca, Test, and Winny and is a anti-aromatase.
If that's all you can get then get it but i'd use Adex if i could get it ..and i can :-) ... You'll have to ask people who have used it for that purpose because you can read profiles all day and they sound great but sometimes things sound better on paper. .. Well Test E is basically the same as test Cyp you'll just get a little more bang for your buck with E .. at least i do anyway. I think alot of guys don't like Winny because of sides but i think it may be good for last few weeks as long as you monitor your blood. .. I'd switch the Deca for EQ but i never used Deca in high enough dose to really compair .. I did use it at 200mg/week with 250mg Sust every 5th day and i blew up but i say that was the Sust. Maybe the Deca will help the Sust work better by freeing it up some (free test) .... There are a million cycles you can come up with but PCT is very important
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I did Test E and it took 5-6 weeks to really kick in. Someone I know started Cyp at the same time and in 3 weeks he put on noticable size, I know its bloat but that means it is in his blood stream.
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this si not a mass cycle IMO - looks like a cutter to me and overall it makes no sense even as a cutter - I would research some more and get a good test deca cycle together if you want mass
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Any suggestions?
I searched but there sure is a lot of crap / conflicting info posted.

Three things:
1. I like to keep my dosages (sides) as low as possible and eat and train right to get the most out of it.
2. Test and Deca are great for mass right?
3. I added the winny to help with the deca sides.

Maybe I am going in the wrong direction with this so point me the way! Thanks!
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