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11-07-2004, 04:35 AM
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Ive been around all the major boards for 6 years now. Started at bolex, then elite, meso, ugbb, vipbb, etc. Never been a huge poster, but ive made a lot of friends. I know every 2-3 years theres some sort of hysteria that goes around about all our safety. But ive never seen something as im witnessing on some boards. Classified sections being erased, mods leading on that they have proof that "big brother" is trying to break into servers, etc. This is getting rediculous. Id love to know if this is simple hysteria or if the govt has finally caught on (so to speak) and are beginning to act. Does anyone have anything concrete to say about source busts, government interventions, or if this is all just plain hysteria? I know a VIPBB mod came on to some boards with warnings about controlled deliveries from a couple sources. But that has seemed to spawn into the notion that big brother is now acting in some endeavor to rid the nation of all its AAS sources. CAN anyone shed light on this? Or is this just the same bit of hsteria that goes around every couple years? Do we have any confirmed busts, any confirmed cd's? Sources seem to be running scared. While i believe saftey should always be a top priority, what has changed in the last two weeks that has caused everyone to go from happy n safe all the way to sources leaving their homes because theyre so afraid of getting popped? Is there any CONFIRMED reason to worry any more than we have in the recent past? What has so drastically changed in the last 2 weeks?  |
11-07-2004, 07:49 AM
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Bush got re-elected
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11-07-2004, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GDSGFT Bush got re-elected | I shouldve known  I just took a step back to look at everything being said and i cant find one bit of evidence to support the notion that things are going to change drastically. I see a few cd's from a source that got busted a month ago (which makes sense if big brother has that email addy now). I see two sources that were popped...but it was a situation that if one got caught up, the other most likely would as well. Beyond that, what else is there? I know one source got an email saying they heard that bog brother was on to them. But once again, there never seems to be confirmation, only rumors from "sources." I would always choose to stay on the side of caution, but i would also like the ability to make a fully informed decision. Anyone that could help, it would probably be appreciated by many |
11-07-2004, 08:46 AM
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We know that MESO-Rx is being actively and continuously monitored by the Department of Homeland Security. We also know that the DHS is taking steps to break into secure e-mail services commonly used by sellers and buyers.
These are indisputable facts, not speculation.
Has this led to any busts yet? I know of no busts (yet) that can conclusively be linked to the Patriots Act.
So you have two choices. Lay low and play it safe, or push the envelop and find out whether you'll be the first on the block.
Your choice Bro'. Speaking only for myself, given the facts I'll pass on the opportunity to take one for the team just to prove a point. |
11-07-2004, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by greyowl We know that MESO-Rx is being actively and continuously monitored by the Department of Homeland Security. We also know that the DHS is taking steps to break into secure e-mail services commonly used by sellers and buyers.
These are indisputable facts, not speculation.
Has this led to any busts yet? I know of no busts (yet) that can conclusively be linked to the Patriots Act.
So you have two choices. Lay low and play it safe, or push the envelop and find out whether you'll be the first on the block.
Your choice Bro'. Speaking only for myself, given the facts I'll pass on the opportunity to take one for the team just to prove a point. |
So what would be the safest email method or isnt there one anymore? |
11-07-2004, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jlewis1111 So what would be the safest email method or isnt there one anymore? | If you think that any free email encryption service is uncrackable by the gov then you are kidding yourself. The US no doubt has some of the best crackers in the work working them and I would be surprised if it took them more then a week to fully crack any of the encryption services. After they crack it just can just make a script to automatically decode any email from that service. |
11-07-2004, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jlewis1111 So what would be the safest email method or isnt there one anymore? | In one sense, the 'safest' route to take would be to use an offshore server that supports encryption, with no corporate links into the U.S. because this puts it beyond the reach of the Patriots Act. The only I know that fits this bill would be cyber-rights, although I'm sure there's plenty others.
On the other hand, the federales arew reputed to have the tools to hack into any server, and with offshore servers they would be able to do so without any legal process at all. Furthermore, secure offshore servers are a prime target for hacking.
Would the 'anti-terrorist' crew go to all this bother just to round up some guys shooting 'roids? Open question. My take: the feds are hunting for terrorists and dissidents, but if they come upon a source in the course of their investigation, they would certainly pass on the info to drug law enforcement.
So really, there's no 'safest' e-mail method. |
11-07-2004, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by growingman If you think that any free email encryption service is uncrackable by the gov then you are kidding yourself. The US no doubt has some of the best crackers in the work working them and I would be surprised if it took them more then a week to fully crack any of the encryption services. After they crack it just can just make a script to automatically decode any email from that service. | Us govt crackers are certainly formidable but no hacker is invincible. E.g., I know for a fact that the U.S. govt has been trying to hack into a rogue offshore sypware vendor for years with no success. But this is a commercial investigation, not criminal, so it could be that they haven't put their best people on it. |
11-07-2004, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by growingman If you think that any free email encryption service is uncrackable by the gov then you are kidding yourself. The US no doubt has some of the best crackers in the work working them and I would be surprised if it took them more then a week to fully crack any of the encryption services. | 1024 bits of encryption (hushmail) is uncrackable. Period! It has nothing to do with the cracker's skills, it has to do with CPU power. Quote: |
Originally Posted by growingman After they crack it just can just make a script to automatically decode any email from that service. | You're kidding right? Every email account is encrypted with a different generated passphrase. There's no such thing as a script that works as a "crack'em all".
The only way Big Brother can read your email messages on a secure e-mail system is by using the Patriot Act in their favour.
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11-07-2004, 09:41 AM
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Rootie is that you? Damn bro good to see you posting again! |
11-07-2004, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by greyowl Rootie is that you? Damn bro good to see you posting again! | Yes I am my friend!
Big mess around your way ah? I was away for 2 weeks and when I logged in again I was shocked with all the busts. Thank God I live in Europe 
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11-07-2004, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RooTShell 1024 bits of encryption (hushmail) is uncrackable. Period! It has nothing to do with the cracker's skills, it has to do with CPU power.
You're kidding right? Every email account is encrypted with a different generated passphrase. There's no such thing as a script that works as a "crack'em all".
The only way Big Brother can read your email messages on a secure e-mail system is by using the Patriot Act in their favour.
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Well root hit the nail right on the head
1024 bit encryption, think about it, most websites offer 128 bit encryption and most people cant break that without tools written by the coding gods
now bring in 1024 bit encryption with passphrasing that would be nearly impossible...
your chances of winning the lottery are 10x better to be honest
it is possible with distributed computing but not very likely
everything is possible i guess when you look at it from a certain perspective |
11-07-2004, 10:52 AM
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What about mailvault.com? |
11-07-2004, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RooTShell Yes I am my friend!
Big mess around your way ah? I was away for 2 weeks and when I logged in again I was shocked with all the busts. Thank God I live in Europe
RooTShell | No busts round my place Bro', I live in country where we haven't sacrificed our basic liberties on the alter of the war against terror.
Email me at greyowl@keptprivate.com if and when you can spare a moment, I will e-mail you back with news. |
11-07-2004, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by greyowl No busts round my place Bro', I live in country where we haven't sacrificed our basic liberties on the alter of the war against terror.
Email me at greyowl@keptprivate.com if and when you can spare a moment, I will e-mail you back with news. | YGM
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11-07-2004, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Roid Ive been around all the major boards for 6 years now. Started at bolex, then elite, meso, ugbb, vipbb, etc. Never been a huge poster, but ive made a lot of friends. I know every 2-3 years theres some sort of hysteria that goes around about all our safety. But ive never seen something as im witnessing on some boards. Classified sections being erased, mods leading on that they have proof that "big brother" is trying to break into servers, etc. This is getting rediculous. Id love to know if this is simple hysteria or if the govt has finally caught on (so to speak) and are beginning to act. Does anyone have anything concrete to say about source busts, government interventions, or if this is all just plain hysteria? I know a VIPBB mod came on to some boards with warnings about controlled deliveries from a couple sources. But that has seemed to spawn into the notion that big brother is now acting in some endeavor to rid the nation of all its AAS sources. CAN anyone shed light on this? Or is this just the same bit of hsteria that goes around every couple years? Do we have any confirmed busts, any confirmed cd's? Sources seem to be running scared. While i believe saftey should always be a top priority, what has changed in the last two weeks that has caused everyone to go from happy n safe all the way to sources leaving their homes because theyre so afraid of getting popped? Is there any CONFIRMED reason to worry any more than we have in the recent past? What has so drastically changed in the last 2 weeks? | anabolic control act. in addition to banning prohormones, it dramaticly increased penalties for roids. to paraphrase a sponsoring senator "the DEA has always used the excuse that you can't give a steroid dealer enough prison time to justify the man hours. this gets rid of that excuse" he then went on to talk about how steroids don't get the attention that crack and heroin do "even though they're just as dangerous". yeah, we all know how many roid addictrs are out there robbing gas stations. there will be a big crackdown in mid january, when the law comes into effect |
11-07-2004, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RooTShell 1024 bits of encryption (hushmail) is uncrackable. Period! It has nothing to do with the cracker's skills, it has to do with CPU power. The only way Big Brother can read your email messages on a secure e-mail system is by using the Patriot Act in their favour.
RooTShell | I dont understand. If the hushmail server is pretty much uncrackable, how can big brother read those secure messages using the patriot act? I understand what the patriot act is and how it can be (recklessly) applied, but how can ANYONE read a supposedly uncrackable secure email (like hushmail, c-r, etc)? |
11-07-2004, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Roid I dont understand. If the hushmail server is pretty much uncrackable, how can big brother read those secure messages using the patriot act? I understand what the patriot act is and how it can be (recklessly) applied, but how can ANYONE read a supposedly uncrackable secure email (like hushmail, c-r, etc)? | I never said they can and I never saw anyone provide any evidence that they do. Hushmail decrypts e-mail messages with a personal key and a public key. The public key resides on hushmail servers but the personal key is on the client's computer. Hushmail claims that not even them can crack their user's accounts. Read my post at the "general discussion" forum. If they are actually lying about it then I guess that the patriot act could allow big brother to have access to the accounts. But it's all just guessing...
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11-07-2004, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RooTShell I never said they can and I never saw anyone provide any evidence that they do. Hushmail decrypts e-mail messages with a personal key and a public key. The public key resides on hushmail servers but the personal key is on the client's computer. Hushmail claims that not even them can crack their user's accounts. Read my post at the "general discussion" forum. If they are actually lying about it then I guess that the patriot act could allow big brother to have access to the accounts. But it's all just guessing...
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hushmail and cyberrights use the same encryption engine right? are they both 1024bit encrypted? Or would one opt to go and open a hushmail account vs. cyberrights? thanks guys
tank |
11-07-2004, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tank01 hushmail and cyberrights use the same encryption engine right? are they both 1024bit encrypted? Or would one opt to go and open a hushmail account vs. cyberrights? thanks guys
tank | I would go with c-r because the company is located offshore
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