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| Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Metabolism article part 1 within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; In article <856054574.29725@dejanews.com>, awilson1@netcom.ca wrote: >> Arnold said that for bodybuilding, he had two prerequisites, the right kind >> of ... |
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In article <856054574.29725@dejanews.com>, awilson1@netcom.ca wrote: >> Arnold said that for bodybuilding, he had two prerequisites, the right kind >> of body, and "an almost perfect metabolism". In my mind, he gets the most >> muscle hypertrophied for the least amount of metabolic increment (ie stress) >> to his BMR. My fellow bodybuilders; I have something pretty important to say about the oxidative component of metabolism, and its ramifications on muscle metabolism. I did not get the proper answers, so I was personally motivated to get them myself. Your job is not to accept blindly what I say. My job is to present it. You can accept my interpretation, someone else's, or make up your own. I am not here to jam my views down your throat. But at the same time, I feel that what I have to say is more a global picture than has been ever been presented before. That is for you to decide. I have an opinion about it, and if you take bodybuilding seriously like I do, maybe you will want to hear it. Maybe not. I have been working out for thirteen years, and yes, I have discovered in the last five years how to "do a better job" and at the same time feel ill. I enjoy the pump, the rock and roll music, the power and the glory and the majesty and the challenge of the gym--and I will not stop. I am the generation in power now, and I make the laws. I never overtrain, but some weird shit started happening to me, and I wanted to know what. Al I got were the same old answers "all the bodybuilders take steroids", "what do you want to get that big for", "ride the bike", "why don't your try swimming", "can't have everything". Not one of those answers ever gave me a satisfactory reason. I have it, for people who are suffering the same problem. I went to the doctor for him to help me--my way--but he could not, did not, refused to--and sent me to a physciatrist. They all did. I will not go into a doctor's office again, and stoop to arguing. I am not blaming any one individual doctor. I blame Medicine as a whole: they have not taken into account the affect of muscle hypertrophy on one's cellular oxidation rate. They forgot something. It seems everyone has, and I would like to remind people of it. Following is the deliverable. It contains information from other people's work; I just pieced it together. There is an attached picture. For it to make sense, please refer to the picture in its context. Here are the facts that I went out to find: Metabolic Terms: Metabolism -- the chemical changes that take place between the moment of entry of a nutrient into a living organism, either plant or animal, and the moment of its discharge of its ultimate chemical (waste) products into the environment. (Colliers Encyclopedia CD-Rom) Occasionally it is convenient to subdivide metabolism into two two interrelated subprocesses: Anabolism and Catabolism. (Colliers Encyclopedia CD-Rom) In our every day conversation, most people think of metabolism as a process that requires energy. Carbohydrates for energy. Anabolism -- construction of body tissues including muscles (from Joe Weider's glossary webpage) Anabolic processes are biosynethetic or constructive. Generally, anabolic processes require energy and result in the formation of relatively larger molecules. (Collier's Encyclopedia CD ROM) Catabolism -- destruction of body tissues including muscles (from Joe Weider's glossary page) Catabolic processes are energy-yielding and result in the end product of such as urea carbon dioxide, water, and ammonia (Collier's Encyclopedia CD-Rom) Oxidation -- the "burning" process that converts carbs into a source of energy useable by the cell (Collier's Encyclopedia CD-Rom). Oxidation is the catabolic utilization of carbohydrates to produce the ATP molecule --the anabolic facet. White Muscle Fibres -- specialized muscle fibres that have been implicated in power movements. They lack mitochondria, and work to generate a maximum amount of force in a short amount of time. (Anabolic Reference Guide, ed. 6, p. 152 Bill Phillips) Dark Muscle Fibres -- specialized muscle fibres that are oxidative and do not change in size. (Anabolic Reference Guide, ed. 6, p. 152) Bodybuilding invollves maximal hypertrophy--enlargement in volume of the white muscle specialized muscle fibres. The red muscle cells do not significantly hypertrophy. They may help get the blood to the white muscle fibre cells, but the red fibres do not hypertrophy significantly. Hyperplasia -- the spliting of muscle cells. This is a lesser known/lesser believed mechanism for the growth of muscle cells from bodybuilding. Most people believe the muscle hypertrophy model more. Early on in bodybuilding, if a person has never done it before, initial gains in strength come from laying down of a motor pattern in the nervous system. (Physiological Changes in Skeletal Muscle, Quarterly Journal of Experimental Physiology, 1989 May 74(3): 233 - 256) The actual muscle hypertrophy begins after 6 - 12 weeks. For size and power, you are hypertrophying the specialized muscle fibres in the body. It is either through hypertrophy or hyperplasia or some combination of both. When you are bodybuilding, you are not only "body-building"; you are "body metabolism" building. If metabolism is composed of the building up of muscle--the anabolic facet--and the breaking down of muscle--the catabolic facet--then when you decided to lift weights, you chose to increase the size of your muscles--the anabolic facet. But you inadvertently chose to increase the oxidation or the level of catabolic breakdown of those same muscles on your body. That's what people say in an everyday conversation: "I want to build muscle so that I can burn fat." But here's a new way of thinking about that: when you try to grow your muscles, your metabolism is also going to grow to counteract that same muscle growth. The catabolic processes always grow along with your anabolic processes to block further anabolic gains in your physique. With anything in life, there is always resistance. The catabolic oxidation inside your muscle cells is the resistance force. It tries to counterattack /counteract the further growth of muscle. When you grow your muscles, that force always grows to counterattack you more. You chose more catabolism whether you like it or not. More muscle means more catabolism. When you came into the gym to be like our hero Arnold and add as much muscle to your frame as possible, you were also adding an increased level of catabolism to your metabolism. Increased catabolism on you is like increasing the oxidative energy drainage on your body--on your other biological systems. People have forgotten this when they talk about building muscle, and why some people can build more muscle over others. Question: Why should YOU care about this? Because when you are bodybuilding, too much catabolism on your body is going to make you ill, and if you get ill in this way from bodybuilding, no one is going to believe you. Nor will you really know what is going on. If something is going to make you ill, you the bodybuilder should be aware of it. Give me a chance to explain. Your basal metabolic rate (BMR) is going to increase, but how much it increases for how much muscle you develop depends on the amount of cellular oxidation in your muscle cells to begin with. The differences in the growth of your BMR has never been discussed or atempted to be discussed properly from a problematic point of view. Different people are going to have different rates of growth. Even two guys with the same physical potential to be Mr. Olympia working out hard in the gym are going to have two different cellular oxidation rates, and so two different rates of growth of their BMR. See The Attached Figure. The guy with the lowest cellular oxidation rate is going to be Mr. Olympia (providing he has other good genetic factors). The other guy with a higher cellular oxidation rate is not going to be Mr. Olympia, despite having the exact same other good genetic factors. He may even be ill. You may say "I know that having a fast metabolism will hinder you from putting on muscle. I know that already." Yes, but what you do not know is that a fast metabolism in your cells can make you ill. First, we are going to look at individuals who have a fast metabolism in their cells. Then, we extrapolate this to the bodybuilders, and figure out what will happen to a person serious on building muscle, but who has a "flawed" metabolism. I say that Arnold Schwarzenegger, and all the successful bodybuilders, have a very low cellular oxidation level in their cells. They get the most muscle hypertrophied for the least increment to their BMR. Someone else with an Arnold-like potential, Arnold-like personal drive, but with a more inferior (ie slightly higher cellular oxidation rate) is going to get less muscle hypertrophied for an even more whopping growth to his personal BMR. The guy with the higher cellular oxidation rate in his cells has a higher probability of getting ill. He is not going to necessarily have a "ripped physique", eating ten meals a day, and be dancing around the gym in good health. WHY??? YOU ASK. First, let's define the basal metabolic rate--the BMR. The Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) --a measure of the overall body's energy production when in a resting state during a period of fasting. The method records oxygen consumption and carbon dioxide putput (Collier's Encyclopedia CD-Rom) it is like the overall metabolic rate of your whole body--the fat cells and muscle cells. Now, let's look at factors--except bodyfat--that metabolically influence each muscle cell that you have in your body. When you go to a doctor, he does a blood test on you. He checks certain hormones and biological substances in your blood. He checks your thyroid gland and the amount of thyroid hormone in your blood. (He also checks other stuff) If you have a lot of thyroid hormone in your blood, then you may have developed a very high cellular oxidation rate. In other words, your cells--including those skeletal muscle cells--now have a very fast catabolic oxidative level. This is what happens. Hyperthyroidism (and hypoglycemia--low blood sugar too) - very high oxidative/catabolic rate - very high energy requirement - symptoms of a very high oxidative rate is hypertension, burning face, nausea, blurry thoughts, cold hands and feet, headache, dizziness Note that the hyperthyroid person's muscles do not hold glycogen well. They "lean down" or "thin down". They lose their volume. They are "atrophying". A person with a very fast cellular oxidation rate is in very bad shape. The person has been given "a brand new" much higher cellular oxidation rate", and the catabolic nature of that rate is so high that breakdown is occurring and the person is ill. A person with a hypothyroid goes the other way. The amount of thyroid hormone in your body drops drastically. The person also gets ill--but in some different ways and some similar ways. The person has been given "a brand new" cellular oxidation rate", and the catabolic nature of that rate is so low that the person is ill. But notice what can happen to the person's muscles. The muscles may enlarge, and become firm. (1984 Encyclopeida Britannica 6, p. 823) Why? Because since the metabolism in each cell has been slowed right down, the muscles do not burn off the glycogen like before. They retain glycogen very well. They do not automatically hypertrophy; they just bulge out before because the glycogen--one catabolized before by the cell for its internal energy requirements--is not being used as much anymore. Summary: Individual A (Hyperthyroid) Individual B (Hypothyroid) Very high cellular oxidation rate Very low cellular oxidation rate Muscles retain glycogen poorly Muscles retain glycogen well Metabolic stress--stress symptoms Metabolic anti-stress Individual is energy-defunct Question: What does this have to do with bodybuilding? I am getting to that. Now, let us look at people who have an OK functioning thyroid gland. All such individuals--no doubt yourself reading this puzzling document-- are Euthyroid. You have a normal free thyroid hormone concentration in your blood plasma. It is a calculated number: the free thyroxine index. It is calculated from other thyroid hormone blood tests. Question: Can two people with the exact same normal free thyroid hormone concentraion in their blood plasma have two different cellular oxidation rates? The answer is yes. (http://www.upmc.edu/endodocs/index.html) Their answer to me was because there are other factors to consider besides just the level of thyroid hormone in your blood. So now, Arnold at 15 has a normal functioning thyroid gland. He is euthyroid. And then maybe, there is some guy in the world who has the exact same physical potential to build big muscles as Arnold, same kind of personal drive, same kind of training for bodybuilding, same kind of eating and diet, same kind of diet. Both men even have the same kind of normal free thyroid hormone concentration as measured by a blood test. They are exactly identical except for one respect. There are some cellular differences so that their cells oxidize/catabolize energy at a slightly different rate. They do not have the same cellular oxidation rate in their muscle cells! Arnold Schwarzenegger at 15 years old has, in his muscle cells, a muscle cell that wants to oxidize/catabolize--say--2 molecules of glucose. Arnold has a cellular metabolism that is lower than the average Joe on the street. Even though he is thin, his thin, unhypertrophied muscle cells will "retain" glycogen a little better than the average Joe on the street. Arnold is an athletic guy. The other guy--let's call him an Anti-Arnold--has a muscle cell that wants to oxidize/catabolize--say-- 6 molecules of glucose. Anti-Arnold has a cellular metabolism that is a little higher than the average Joe on the street. Not a big difference, but it's there. Even though he is thin, his thin, unhypertrophied muscle cells will "retain" glycogen stores, but not as well as Arnold Schwarzenegger's can. (This is a common-sense inference. You will have to decide if you believe this) Anti-Arnold is more of a sedentary person. Now, one thing: I have assumed that both men have muscle cells that are exactly the same volume. But this does not normally happen in nature. Usually the person with the lower cellular oxidation rate in his cells will have muscle cells that maybe are a little bigger or fuller than the average person's. For instance, Dorian Yates said that he was always a little bigger and a little stronger than the average person (Toronto Star, People Section, Mr. Olympia Nov. 12/95) The Anti-Arnold guy, since his cells oxidize a little more energy, are a little leaner, and a little smaller. And when the volume of your cells change, it "fudges" or affects the final amount of cellular oxidation/catabolism. Muscle volume decreases. The final overall cellular oxidation amount decreases. Muscle volume increases. The final overall cellular oxidation amount increases. See why when a hyperthyorid person developed a fast metabolism in their cells, the body "leaned down" those cells. The body tried to adapt to the new cells by "leaning down" them down to eliminate as much of the "acclerated cellular metabolism" as possible. The body tries to reach this new equlibrium. But now, when each one of you bodybuild, you are all introducing a "disequilibrium" into your body. All individuals, irregardless of their cellular oxidation rate, are increasing the volume of your cells. And with it, the metabolic cellular oxidation/catabolism generated by those cells. Let's just say that when you bodybuild, you are tripling the volume of your cells, but you are doubling the rate of your intrinisic cellular oxiation rate. Arnold Schwarzenegger has now just tripled the size of one of his muscle cells. The cell has gone from the original number of 2 glucose molecules per cell to 2 * 2 = 4 glucose molecules per hypertrophied cell. Arnold has added 2 extra glucose molecules to his total body metabolic overhead-- the BMR. But poor Anti-Arnold has now gone from the original number of 6 glucose molecules to a new number for a new hypertrophied cell. The math: 2 * 6 = 12. The Anti-Arnold person has added 10 extra glucose molecules to his total body metabolic overhead -- the BMR. Now, you multiply this over all the muscle cells in a person's body, and the fact that the person is trying to get as big as possible, and you know what is going to happen to Anti-Arnold's overall body metabolism, the BMR. His BMR is going to skyrocket for a lesser number of muscle cells getting bigger. (Study the attached figure again if you want) The Anti-Arnold's BMR line will go up a lot faster. Say it takes a person five years to hypertrophy all the muscle he ever will hypertrophy. Arnold Schwarzengger, five years later, now has a higer BMR. He needs to eat five meals a day and maybe take a rest. Since his BMR is higher, he is a little more energy-drained than before because the associated catabolic processes on his body have increased, but not so high that he is ill. When your BMR increases, you lose some of your tolerance to exercise. You can lift much heavier weight, but your tolerance to exercise is diminished. (Mike Mentzer, Flex, Summer 1995, Mind and Body II, pg. 204) Arnold at 15 could curl 100 lbs for 15 reps before he got tired. Now he can curl 235 lbs for 5 reps before he is tired. Mr. Schwarznegger's muscles are energy-draining him but not so much that he is ill. The Anti-Arnold, after five years, has suffered even more of an energy loss, and an even greater lowered tolerance to exercise for a lot less muscle gain. He is so energy drained, that his BMR has super-accelerated. His muscles are fuller, and bigger, but his face is burning, stomach nauseated, mind blurry. He is suffering from stress symptoms. That is what a higher BMR means. The higher your BMR, the more drained of vital energy reserves you are. |
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