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Old 07-25-2009, 09:46 PM
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Default Mostly Tren Cycle for lean mass and fat loss with a few other hormones tossed in

I am trying to try some different theories out and trying to be a bit more holistic with regards to producing good gains with manageable sides.

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133mg Tren Ace
3.3mg Test. cyp
33mg 7-Keto no ester
1.66mg DHEA no ester

The goal is to get all the lean mass that tren produces with almost zero bloat or water weight gain that too much test can produce and keep Mr woody happy and joints happy. I dare say mood should be good. The above can be adjusted of course during cycle for best results.

Since I have personnel seen how great Tren works alone with out any test the idea was to put just enough in to manage sides. I am thinking the total lack of estrogen is a bad thing for dopamine receptors and such in the brain according to some stuff I read on here under the smart drugs section. So the small amount of test should keep those things that like test happy and when combined with the DHEA should make for enough left over's for some to be aromatized to estrogen to keep the estrogen loving things happy like in the brain and else where. Since Tren seems to really spark fat loss in some me included I figured tossing in some 7-Keto could not hurt since it cannot be converted to estrogen or test directly and is supposed to be good for fat loss.

I thought about going as high as 7mg a day of test. This would mimic natural test production which on top of Tren should be more then enough to keep things good with out the negatives associated with Tren only cycle! I really want to see what can be done with mostly tren and just enough other hormones to keep mood,appetite,sex drive,joints and other portions of the body happy that like to have some test,estrogen,DHEA floating around. Too often so many people have more test then Tren in their Tren cycle and it is hard to know what is driving the cart the horse or the guy at the reins....By keeping all the other hormones ultra low but not eliminating them I am thinking we should get a much more clear picture of what tren can do with just the most modest of help.......

To answer the question cost is not a problem I could run as much test with it as I wanted to. I have a problem though with too much test becoming a problem due to estrogen conversion. Test is the only hormone I have any issues with. I am sure if I had not gotten fat with three years of surgery and such that it would not be as much of a problem. But since losing all the fat would take more then 12 months dieting and exercise and avoidance of any type of test cycle it is easier to keep my test low at first and slowly cycle it up as the fat comes off. I can not do much in the way of cardio I am still on bed rest and getting a special brace to allow me to walk soon. So this is in many ways a come back and slowly get my body healed and up to speed again. I might never be able to do a lot of cardio due to joint damage if that is so then I will need to depend on diet and weight lifting and creative use of AAS's to shed the fat and regain a lot of muscle mass!

I am lucky to be able to get out of bed and walk a nasty accident messed me up bad and things had to heal before they could do more surgery etc.......So for the last three years I have been able to do next to nothing. Some light exercise in rehab and some elastic bands and such....So I am coming back to weights and AAS to try and rebuild my body. So that is why things are rather low it should not take much just coming back into things to create a dramatic effect!
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Old 07-26-2009, 01:37 AM
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I'm very interested in hearing about your results. Please keep us posted.
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Given that you are experimenting.. have you considered just using HCG rather than such a small amount of Test?
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Actually no I have not....I have never used HCG before and was thinking of trying some in the next 12 months.

Since my goqal is to get back into decent shape as in back to the shape I was in say my senior year of H.S. Freshman year of college I am not planing on doing anything too extreme. Not because I have a problem with people that want to take things to the limit. I am just not looking to compete so for me getting back to a point close to my genetic limit faster then would be possible natural is the goal. So I open to all kinds of idea's.....

I figure in the coming months I will be picking through this site a lot to get idea's from other's.....Since I am not competing all kinds of things become possible.... I prefer tren because I have had great experience in the past with it....But since I am not competing in anything drug tested things like Deca and Eqipose that normal stay in your system for years are options I might consider.


I am super interested though in doing as much as I can with various cycles of Test,Tren and Anavar.

My goal would be to get to about 245 and 6-10% BDF levels. In H.S. I competed in Power lifting and my senior year i was 224lbs. and 6% body fat.... I figure my genetic limit at 6%-12% body fat would be about 250lbs-275lbs.! I am 6'2". A lot of people do not fully understand that their genetic limit on how much muscle their body will allow them to carry is based on body fat percentage. As body fat goes up the amount of muscle mass that your body will allow you to carry also goes up. This is why when fat people lose weight like say a world class 350lbs power lifter decided to drop 100lbs. of fat.......His lean mass would go down as well and would be limited by his new lower body fat percentage. With out the use of steroids no matter how hard he trained he would not be able to gain all his old muscle mass back. This is why so many old school power lifters used to "eat their way past sticking points" as their level of fat went up so did their muscle mass! This is also why most hard gainers tend to be skinny and lean with naturaly low body fat levels. You almost never see a chuby guy that is smooth complain of being a hard gainer!
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it's been done with success..

Test Prop, 50mg M,W,F (half life is longer than you think, you can shoot prop e3d. so F-S you'll be fine.)
Tren Ace, 100mg M,W,F (or 100mg EoD)
EQ, 600mg weekly

or cut out the EQ and run Winny and/or Var..

you will need test, and at that level of androgen you will need more than 7mg a day.. 150mg a week may not be enough.

i would consider arimidex or aromasin and dostinex during cycle...
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it's been done with success..

Test Prop, 50mg M,W,F (half life is longer than you think, you can shoot prop e3d. so F-S you'll be fine.)
Tren Ace, 100mg M,W,F (or 100mg EoD)
EQ, 600mg weekly

or cut out the EQ and run Winny and/or Var..

you will need test, and at that level of androgen you will need more than 7mg a day.. 150mg a week may not be enough.

i would consider arimidex or aromasin and dostinex during cycle...
I agree with LS...drop the EQ run a higher amount of test with your Tren...it will help offset some of the Tren sides. If you don't know what those are....you'll find out.

I personally prefer aromasin as my AI for many reasons...

Good luck!
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