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I am just finishing up my cycle of test /deca. I ran the deca at 300mg/week for 8 ...
Hey guys,
I am just finishing up my cycle of test/deca. I ran the deca at 300mg/week for 8 weeks. I ran the test at 400mg/week for 10 weeks. I took my last test shot Sunday. Been 2 weeks since last deca shot. I gained 20lbs, and don't think i put on much fat at all. I have a bottle of hcg, and 30 arimidex tabs. I was going to run 500iu's of hcg for 10days and take .5mg of arimidex every day with it. Would anybody do it differently? These are the only two pct drugs i have. Thanks.
Why? Arimidex is a estrogen bloker. Isn't that why you use the nolvadex, to block the effects of hcg? Why would it matter what estrogen blocker you used?
No. arimidex is only an estrogen blocker. Nolvadex blocks estrogen AND sensitizes and stimulates the pituitary to produce LH. So, if you use the HCG and the arimidex, you will stimulate the testes to produce testosterone. But once the artificial LH is gone (HCG), then you will still have low LH output and your levels will fall back down again, fast. It is my experience, and everything I've ever read seems to support this, that nolvadex is the most essential part of a PCT because of the multipurpose role that it plays.
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Where can i get some nolvadex? It's prescription right? Will i need to get a script? I don't really have access to a Dr for writing me a script. Thanks.
"Is HCG really necessary? If this was your first cycle, would Nolvadex alone be sufficient?"
I didn't use HCG in my early cycles, and I came out fine. I use it now because my cycles tend to be longer and more suppressive. HCG will always speed things up in PCT, but it may not be worth the money for shorter, more simple cycles.
"Where can i get some nolvadex? It's prescription right? Will i need to get a script? I don't really have access to a Dr for writing me a script. Thanks."
Research Chemists products all day "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION". Obviously they are just saying that to avoid any legal problems...it is safe to use their Nolva/Clomid?
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