My Final Words - MESO-Rx

Easy · #1 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 07:35 AM

I've been a member of another very popular forum for several years and an occassional user of anabolic steroids. Last week, I was short of breath and had trouble breathing. I went to the ER, I was immediately admitted and after a 7 day hospital stay, I was discharged and diagnosed with an enlarged heart and congestive heart failure with irregular heart beat.

Last month, I was the apitimy of perfect health, non-smoker, strict diet, exercised religiously and done plenty of cardio. I just didn't get it....but my doctor(s) knew - for they found anabolic steroids in my blood, I had just finished my last cycle on 1/15/06 and it was still in my system.

Anyways this will be my final words on any AAS forum, and thanks to good ole steroids and a few "good friends" I used to refer to as sources, I have done irreversable damage to the most important MUSCLE in the body - the heart. Be careful out their guys, if it can happen to ME, it can most certainly happen to YOU. 20 Additional pounds is not worth your heart.

Deacon · #2 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 09:24 AM

take care bro

That's that! · #3 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 10:25 AM

Would you mind defining "occasional user". I'm sorry but I find it very difficult to believe that an "occasional user" of aas (I wish I knew what you used, how many times and for how long) to have enlarged his heart to such a degree that it would require ER attention.

Is it even remotely possible that this is genetic? Aside from the non smoking, picture of health diatribe, your number one contributor to heart ailments is not lifestyle it's genetics. We need more INFORMATION.--That's that!

Steerike · #4 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 10:53 AM

Not to marginalize your situation bro, but the same thing happened to my dad (49 years old - seemingly perfect health) and he's never touched gear.

Just a thought...

morepain · #5 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 11:03 AM

Yes, it could have been alot of things, but make no mistake these drugs do have an impact on your overall health. A year ago i would have been the first to jump on this thread and call BS and convince myself that the drugs had nothing to do with it. You may never suffer any health consequences, i hope that you don't but do not blindly convince yourself that it can't happen. i am currently dealing with a myriad of health issues due to long term abuse, keep your cylces smart and you will probably be fine but you don't really know for sure. I guess as you get older and your sense of mortality starts to set in your priorities just change.

That's that! · #6 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 01:02 PM

I agree to an extent Morepain but 1. I am in no way new to this so my question to him is with an extensive background and trepidation and 2. Awful things happen to people regardless of lifestyle. It's human nature to want an answer to all of life's foibles but it doesn't mean that whatever you attribute your misfortune to is the actual problem.

There's always the theory that certain lifestyles speed along the inevitable fate we all face. It's only a theory and virtually impossible to prove.

I guess what I am saying we need more information before anyone can even begin deciding for themselves whether or not aas contributed to his condition.--That's that!

MANWHORE · #7 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 01:29 PM

I have irregular heart beat while on now .. my heart will skip beats a few times in a row .. I was getting palpitations .. I guess that's what they are called .. My heart would just run fullspeed for about 10 seconds and then just back to normal but i was getting those after many many years of being off gear and this was after about 2 cycles. I also have very small pitting edema in my legs. I banged my legs weeks ago and bruised them. The next day i had pitting edema pretty bad in one leg (by the ankle) and a little in the other leg .. That was weeks ago but i still have a little. I just did shots in my calfs which could have caused but i believe it was there before the shots. I have been training calfs at least 4X week. could this cause it? .. What are signs of heart problems? .. never had any in my family at all but i am almost possitive i am the only one who used gear.

BRICK · #8 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 01:54 PM

Make sure you keep good track of your blood pressure. The edema could be from having high bp or could be a more serious prob. like congestive heart failure.(dont mean to scare you). It is extremely doubtfull. When was the last time you had a physical and blood work? What gear are you using now......let me guess, Tren

? My all time favorite AAS.
Hopefully the edema is not caused by anything serious. Are you using and anti-e?

***Millard Baker*** · #9 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 01:54 PM

Causation is very difficult in such cases. Much like the "AAS cause suicide" connection. AAS as the single cause of CHF is unlikely. CHF isn't a disease in and of itself, but a combination of several different problems. It is unlikely that AAS were the culprit behind all of the problems.

That notwithstanding, AAS most likely did not help and likely hastened the development of CHF.

As did lifting weights .

Not to mention the extra LBM due to weight lifting.

Ditto the extra LBM due to AAS.

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Weightlifting, independent of AAS use, can cause LVH (left ventricular hypertrophy). The effect is more pronounced when combined with AAS use.

Such LVH is benign in the absence of other conditions.

But probably not if there is any other underlying heart conditions.

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The take home lesson is that just because AAS may not "cause" the myriad of problems often attributed to them... AAS may be strongly contraindicated if you have any pre-existing conditions, congenital or otherwise.

This is why is it always highly recommended that you have someone monitor your health and blood work while using AAS.

If nothing more, please heed Easy's warning to "be careful".

BRICK · #10 (**permalink**) 03-07-2006, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by administrator

Causation is very difficult in such cases. Much like the "AAS cause suicide" connection. AAS as the single cause of CHF is unlikely. CHF isn't a disease in and of itself, but a combination of several different problems. It is unlikely that AAS were the culprit behind all of the problems.

That notwithstanding, AAS most likely did not help and likely hastened the development of CHF.

As did lifting weights .

Not to mention the extra LBM due to weight lifting.

Ditto the extra LBM due to AAS.

--

Weightlifting, independent of AAS use, can cause LVH (left ventricular hypertrophy). The effect is more pronounced when combined with AAS use.

Such LVH is benign in the absence of other conditions.

But probably not if there is any other underlying heart conditions.

--

The take home lesson is that just because AAS may not "cause" the myriad of problems often attributed to them... AAS may be strongly contraindicated if you have any pre-existing conditions, congenital or otherwise.

This is why is it always highly recommended that you have someone monitor your health and blood work while using AAS.

If nothing more, please heed Easy's warning to "be careful".

GREAT ADVICE!