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Old 02-09-2004, 07:11 PM
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Two weeks ago I posted my results on the t-mag forutm from my first ever cycle, limited to two weeks of 50 mg Tren + 50 mg Winny ED day 1-13.

To sum things up - increased kcals during the cycle to 4200 from 2500 precycle, started clomid at 50 mg ED day 14, at day 13 had gained 13 pounds without noticeable fatgain, went back to dieting at 2500 kcals (240 g protein) on day 14, at day 21 I had lost 10 pounds with dramatic muscular circumference decreases. My strength did increase significantly though, and seems unaffected by my postcycle period.

The main reason for me choosing 2-week cycles was Bill Roberts reasoning that they require less time for recovery, mainly due to supression occuring only at the pituitary level, and therefore dieting can start soon/immediatly after the cycle and continue for about three of the recommended four weeks off. This appeals to me.

Obviously I must have done something wrong, since so much of my gains were quickly lost. Some guys at the other forum adviced me to continue postcycle with calories still at maintenance or above, and delay my dieting phase until t-levels were back to normal. Now as I´m planning my next cycle I´m still interested in a 2-weeker, though with some modifications. So lets hear your opinions on this:

1. Stay on maintenance calories for the first week post cycle and start dieting the week after.

2. Frontload the clomid at 300 mg. Maybe my concentration didn´t reach high enough levels quickly enough, and thus decreased my massretention. Should have known this. Duh.

3. Weekly injections of Primobolan ~300 mg, or Test Enanthate 100-200 mg on day 13 and the week thereafter. Cy´s latest article showed some arguments and references that endogenous production would still recover despite of such "bridging" androgen-use, and my thought is that this would enable postcycle dieting without inhibiting recovery.

Good or bad? What do you think?
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It's because you dropped your calories back to 2500, what they were pre-cycle. You should of figured out how much your new maintainence was with the higher body weight and dropped to that.
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It's because you dropped your calories back to 2500, what they were pre-cycle. You should of figured out how much your new maintainence was with the higher body weight and dropped to that.

Oh yeah, don't diet right after finishing a cycle. It's a sure way to loose your gains.
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Oh yeah, don't diet right after finishing a cycle. It's a sure way to loose your gains.

No one with any experience from 2-week cycles, and comments on my ideas for postcycle changes?
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patuba , gave you good advice
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patuba , gave you good advice
I understand that I´m more prone to lean losses postcycle if I´m in a hypogonadal state, especially with a caloriedeficient diet. However, isn´t this what mild androgen use combined with anti-e´s postcycle is all about avoiding?
If I right after my ordinary short cycle make sure to maintain my t-levels in the high-normal physiological range or slightly above, however low enough not to affect recovery of the HPTA, and reap the benefits of the short cycle sensitizationeffect on the pituitary - wouldn´t that be an optimal condition? Doesn´t Bill Roberts/Cy Willson/Nelson Montana/Brock Strasser all seem to advocate this kind of regimen for those seeking solid gains at a low/moderate pace?
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Interesting bump for more info

Right now I'm reading "Building the Perfect Beast" great book, anyways there is info on these types of cycles... I will keep you guys posted as I'm reading
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