need help!

[sjh500]

New to the board here...a little background to preface my questions, I am an ex natural lifter and did one bodybuilding contest back in 93. I have a lot of arthritis in one of my shoulders and both of my elbows. I just recently(three months ago) had surgery on one of my elbows to clean it out. I have been doing these lame recovery workouts for the past month, and am very frustrated in my progress(finished physical therapy) in the gym. It's funny...all my old lifting partners who did juice don't have any of my issues, irony! Anyway, I am now older and am having trouble with all of the pain involved with lifting, and I am not burning the fat off like I used to!

First question: What "supplement" would help me burn fat the best without retaining water(test prop, winstrol, primo)? I would be using low amounts as to not tip off the wife! I will be doing intense interval cardio workouts 4-5 times a week, so would like to retain the muscle I have.

Second: Is there something out there that helps with joint pain, I have heard the D-Bol does, true?

Third: I don't have anywhere I can buy it...are the online pharmacies for real(British Dragon and the like)?

The kind of effect I am trying to achieve would be....losing about 3-5% body fat, and, not get a bunch of acne. I had a friend of mine back in the day who would lose a few percent of bodyfat and gain about 5lbs at the same time...I always thought he was natural, LOL! He finally told me that he would take straight Winstrol and nothing else about 6 weeks when he had a contest coming up. I have heard Winstrol isn't the best for joint pain as it can increase it, true? Thanks for the info, I know these aren't the typical questions on this board as I am not trying to increase my size or strength dramatically....just want to get back some of what I had as an old guy! Thanks for your help!

[MrBman]

well when were talking about "aiding" joints ... the only way certain steroids do this is by lubricating the joints via increases in certain hormones - if you havent guessed it already - its estrogen and progesterone ... i dont think Dianabol would be a good match for you, as your current situation may leave you prone to injury due to the dramatic increases in strenght caused by the drug... Deca on the other increases lubrication within the joints (its a progestin - direct effect on things like collagen) and it also increases calcium retention - collagen is vital to the composition of ligaments, cartilage and various other things - those are two major ways deca does this ...

Now it would also not be wise to take winstrol, it will most likely make lifting very painful for yourself - actually any DHT derivatives are a bad call as they not only severely decreases estrogenic activity on tissues (main reason people are able to decrease their susceptability to gyno when incorporating things like winstrol with a test cycle - does not eliminate the risk) .... also dht will decrease estrogen levels in the body in general -

Before considering a cycle, you should ask yourself certain questions ... Why Am I taking steroids? Are steroids right for me? What will happen when i stop my cycle? If it is the actual pain that lifting weights causes, there are probably better alternatives than using steroids and these should be discussed with a doctor ...

if you looking for fat loss, steroids dont actually burn fat ... they only increase the bodies ability to utilize substances you ingest, and maintain muscle when exposing your body to phases of caloric deprivation ... Things like thermogenics are a much more effective aid when it comes to fat burning

if your have your mind set on doing them and want to use something that aids your joints and will provide you with a small amount of mass - i would go with the following:

300mgs/week Test Enanthate/week 12weeks
200mgs/weel Nandrolne Deconate/week 10weeks
Followed by post cycle therapy

This is a VERY mild cycle - but you will grow off it... if you eat clean, and train properly you will lose some weight ... the main purpose of adding deca is to aid your joints ... the test will eliminate the chances of getting "deca dick" - some people find it hard to stand at attention when using deca by itself - most derivatives of testosterone modified at the 19th position will do this to most people

but before you do a cycle, seriously ask yourself is it worth it ... and if fat loss is your primary goal, it probably isnt worth it bud ...


Ohhh and i dont really tell people this... BUT dont ask for sources on an open forum man, its an easy way for scammers to target you ...

[sjh500]

VERY informative and much appreciated. The reason I have been thinking of doing this now and not in the past is because it always came so easy for me before(really good genetics). Now that I am 38 years old and not consistent for so many years, it is much harder now....definitely looking for the help I have seen so many of my friends get out of it over the years.

Another thing that I heard for so many years from people was how good there body felt, I just want a jump start back to form! What is the typical amount of stuff people are taking when they do they hormone replacement therapy, most people I have seen using this method look fantastic! I did have couple of friends try some hgh without much luck, they were not using any juice with it.

[role model]

The best thing I know of for joint pain is Hyaluronic Acid .


Hyaluronic Acid (HA) is an endogenous uronic acid that is classified as a glycosaminoglycan (GAG). HA has been studied by scientists for over 40 years. It is a key component to many normal bodily functions and has hundreds of research studies showing its value in skin and joint health. It is naturally occurring in the body and the highest concentration is found in the soft connective tissue where it is a major component of the extracellular joint matrix. HA is present in cartilage, in synovial joint fluid, and in the skin tissue, both dermis and epidermis. Due to its composition and properties it can have anti-aging and joint supporting properties. Joint health is vital for hard training athletes and HA may be important in supporting optimal joint function.

HA specifically is a key nutrient in joint health. In a review by Moskowitz from Case Western Reserve University entitled “Hyaluronic acid supplementation” and published in 2000, he states that “Hyaluronan preparations have been shown to decrease pain and increase function in patients with osteoarthritis of the knee.” HA seems to work through several mechanisms of action including restoration of more normal synovial fluid with improved viscoelasticity, effects on cartilage biosynthesis and degradation, anti-inflammatory effects, and direct analgesic effects. This is the most important effect it has for athletes. It can actually be taken to support healthy joints (preventative maintenance), not only to support recovery from joint injury. A good dose is 200 mg taken in divided doses daily.

[sjh500]

Mrbam, one more thing, sorry for my ignorance! The post cycle therapy that I have read about seems to bring the Test back to normal levels, why isn't this used as a cycle itself? Thanks

[sjh500]

Rolemodel, thanks for the info, I will definitely check it out! Is this a supplement that is over the counter?

[role model]

Originally Posted by sjh500

Mrbam, one more thing, sorry for my ignorance! The post cycle therapy that I have read about seems to bring the Test back to normal levels, why isn't this used as a cycle itself? Thanks

Because it brings your test to normal levels, as you said above.
When you do a cycle your doing 300 to 400 percent above normal levels.

Yes Hyaluronic Acid is OTC.

[sjh500]

I thought about it after I wrote it. I guess I am looking for a medium boost, not 3-400%. Maybe like a couple hundred milligrams a week of something mild?

[role model]

Originally Posted by sjh500

I thought about it after I wrote it. I guess I am looking for a medium boost, not 3-400%. Maybe like a couple hundred milligrams a week of something mild?

It ain't even worth doing any then because your just going to shut down your normal production and replace it with the injections. Its like being stuck in the mud you get almost nothing out of low doses and then loose your natural ability to produce test for a while when you stop.

I would say for you to do 300mg a week or more or don't do it at all. Understand why I say this?

[sjh500]

Yes I do understand what you are saying...I know it depends on the individual, that being said, is 300 a week going to be very obvious?

[bigbench]

No its not. You need to keep the diet clean and you can put on 15 lbs over the course of 10-12 weeks. You will not wake up overnight and be "huge" or anything.

[role model]

Originally Posted by sjh500

Yes I do understand what you are saying...I know it depends on the individual, that being said, is 300 a week going to be very obvious?

As BB said:
@ 300mg/wk, you may gain up to, 5 lbs/month. If everything is done right.
But I personally did not gain that much, I gained 20lbs on 750/wk. during my 1st cycle.
Actually most of you weight gain will be during the first two months.

[sjh500]

O.K., so what would be the best for me to take if I wanted to get a lot leaner while retaining my current bodyweight of 230lbs(I wouldn't car if I gained 5lbs or so) and staying nice and dry? Is there a single supplement I can take or is stacking necessary?

[role model]

Since its your 1st cycle, What I would do is just take one shot of Test e 250mg every 3rd day.
Keep it simple, you can diet with results taking that much.

The stuff that makes you dry is not for beginners. Which is tren by the way.

[bigbench]

Just like Role said, stick with a low dose of test and get your diet in check and up the cardio. The test will help you to keep the muscles while you are burning fat. You can take an AI to keep estrogen levels down and the bloat off of you if you want to stay dry.