New to it all.....looking for a good cycle

[whizzy]

Hey guys, I am new to the steroid world and looking for a good cycle for a beginner that will hopefully achieve my goals.

Stats:
33 years old
5' 11" - 235 lbs
Probably 25-30% body fat (I figure I may as well be honest) lol
I have a larger build. ie. large frame with quite wide shoulders
Im a programmer and spend alot of time on my ass
I put in a couple days a week at the gym but havent been pouring it on really hard lately.
not afraid of dieting

Goals:
Put on lean muscle mass without getting HUGE
my weight goal would be about 195 - 205
I would like to be in between 5-10% body fat (if possible)
NO GYNO

Notes:
-family history of heart issues
-my cholesterol was somewhat high but has now been brought back to normal via diet
-my brother has done a few cycles in the past with decent results and no issues health wise.


Hopefully thats enough info for now, let me know if I am missing something.

Thanks guys

[jsupstarz]

Well, I admire your optimism. Although I was in your boat at one time. If I were you at 30% bf, I would NOT DO STEROIDS AT THIS TIME. You may end up being extremely unhappy due to your current bf, and the amt. of food you have to eat to get bigger on aas. Your best bet is to cut w/ diet and cardio and lose a good 25-30lbs, then you should be good. If you are that fat combined with a massive intake + water retention plus underlying mass you will look like a straight out idiot. I was you in the beggining too. Trust me LOSE WEIGHT, THEN DO STEROIDS>

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by whizzy

Hey guys, I am new to the steroid world and looking for a good cycle for a beginner that will hopefully achieve my goals.

Stats:
33 years old
5' 11" - 235 lbs
Probably 25-30% body fat (I figure I may as well be honest) lol
I have a larger build. ie. large frame with quite wide shoulders
Im a programmer and spend alot of time on my ass
I put in a couple days a week at the gym but havent been pouring it on really hard lately.
not afraid of dieting

Goals:
Put on lean muscle mass without getting HUGE
my weight goal would be about 195 - 205
I would like to be in between 5-10% body fat (if possible)
NO GYNO

Notes:
-family history of heart issues
-my cholesterol was somewhat high but has now been brought back to normal via diet
-my brother has done a few cycles in the past with decent results and no issues health wise.


Hopefully thats enough info for now, let me know if I am missing something.

Thanks guys

Why don't you PSMF, you will drop weight quickly. While doing the PSMF just do full body routines 3 days a week and get some cardio in post work out and on your days off. You should be down 20lbs in a month or so. Maybe do it twice. On steroids in an untrained state your body will be very stressed and you will feel like you're fatter and being held down by this new weight - very winded. If you look at my post history you will see I've been asking/researching this same thing you're asking for a while now. The more I've researched the more focused I am on getting a bit more weight off my ass before I cycle. When i joined here I was 260-75, i'm now at 215 and I still want to drop more.

Also go to the doc, get a check up. Blood work, liver panels, etc.. Make sure you're starting on a clean slate.

http://www.basskilleronline.com/chem...-fatloss.shtml

[advanced-stealth]

Get your diet in check first.

[whizzy]

Thanks for the info guys.
I will start with the diet and more strict workout schedule.

Lifesize, do you have a copy of your diet since you seem to have done quite well. I realize that everyone is different on a diet, but if I could get a rough idea where to start that would be cool.

Another question, you mention PSMF, what is that?

And last but not least...............when I come to a point where I am comfortable with going ahead with a cycle, my age and family history is still alright to be doing one?

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by whizzy

Thanks for the info guys.
I will start with the diet and more strict workout schedule.

Lifesize, do you have a copy of your diet since you seem to have done quite well. I realize that everyone is different on a diet, but if I could get a rough idea where to start that would be cool.

Another question, you mention PSMF, what is that?

And last but not least...............when I come to a point where I am comfortable with going ahead with a cycle, my age and family history is still alright to be doing one?

Check your pm.

PSMF, protein sparring modified fast. Think Atkins but no carbs and only enough _healthy_ fat to support brain, heart, and mobilization functions. The low calories but high protein intake spare muscle loss while inhibiting some serious fat loss.

Age doesn't matter, unless you're under 21 in which case you want to finish growing naturally so your growth plates don't harden prematurely.

Check yourself at the doctor, make sure everything is fine. I'd be worried about cholesterol on cycle. Heart problems would probably arise in the future if you abused AAS. I doubt a 12week 500mg Test E cycle would cause anything other than some growth.

[danasti]

First thing, go to a doctor. For all you know you could have a medical issue. It's even a remote possibility there is a testosterone deficiency or another hormonal imbalance which, if corrected, could lead to drastic changes in body comp very quickly. Make absolutely sure your bloodpressure, lipids, heart, liver, thyroid, hormones and kidneys are checked and OK'd before AAS. I can't stress this enough with your family history. Adding AAS WILL elevate BP, lower good cholesterol and raise bad cholesterol - that is just how it works.

Definetely find consistency in both diet and exercise before starting into self-prescribed HRT. Have these things written out and follow them for a solid amount of time before you start in with chemicals.

See if you can work with someone face to face, even if it's occasionally, so you can get the valuable kind of feedback where they actually see you - the right person can motivate you and help with diet and training. Every single pro athlete has trainers, even the trainers have trainers for objectivity and another point of view. How do you look, measure, strength, endurance, eat and sleep month in and month out.

If you are not consistent in the gym and with your eating you will do more harm to your body than good by adding any AAS. Also, if you are not looking at this as a permanent change in lifestyle then you WILL end up back where you are today. Obese is anything over 25% in men and with your family history I think that adding AAS could be lethal and easily could even contribute to adding more fat post cycle. I think you should prove you are dedicated and consistent for a solid amount of time before you start adding in drugs.

I wish you well whatever you choose to do. Good Luck!

[whizzy]

Well I will definatly get more consistant than 2 days a week at the gym before I go ahead with anything.
What would be considered to be a long enough time..........3-6months? I am not really in any hurry at all with this, thats why I have been reading a little bit and getting info.

I like your guys' advice about getting everything checked by my doctor pre-cycle. THATS GREAT!!

Odd question, but the doctor cant deny you getting the tests can he?

[danasti]

Deny you getting the test? He could, I suppose, but why would he? Find a doctor who will do a complete check up and blood panel. I have mine done 2-3 times a year.

Like I said, go in and get Liver, Thyroid, Hormones (test levels, etc..), Kidneys, Lipids. This will tell you a great deal about your overall health. It will also give you a reference for if and when you start a cycle you know your natural levels. Personally, I think this is the most important thing anyone can do (not just you) before starting a cycle. It's even more important for you to know your Cholesterol and blood pressure when off cycle because of your family history.

It's good you are open to doing this.

I recommend getting serious and telling yourself that you are going to change your lifestyle, your eating habits and your training habits. Document your diet and training on a daily basis. Move heavier weight on a weekly basis, even if only by a few pounds and improve your cardio the same way.

Get an accurate body fat measurement. Measure your body parts. Find your daily calorie needs and eat less than that - I gaurantee you will lose weight unless you have a serious medical condition - but the doctor will find that out from the blood panel!

Then set some goals for yourself. After you have your blood panel, body fat and diet and training planned set up a goal to get from 25% bf to 18% bf and if your blood pressure is high and LDL cholesterol is high then your diet should improve them (green veggies, brown rice, fruit and lean meat). Don't miss a training or cardio session for 3 months. Whatever your goals are do your best to meet them.

Once you get to 18% then think about starting a low dose testosterone only cycle for 10 weeks @ 250-400mg / week. Start that cycle with a goal to lower your body fat to 14%. This would be easy if your training and diet is dialed in and with the improvements you made naturally to your metabolism beforehand.

Good Luck!

Originally Posted by whizzy

Well I will definatly get more consistant than 2 days a week at the gym before I go ahead with anything.
What would be considered to be a long enough time..........3-6months? I am not really in any hurry at all with this, thats why I have been reading a little bit and getting info.

I like your guys' advice about getting everything checked by my doctor pre-cycle. THATS GREAT!!

Odd question, but the doctor cant deny you getting the tests can he?